Reply to: Michael Jackson documentary

[xoggoth]

I've been listening to Wagner since the 40s

Me too. I'll probably listen to MJ too. I don't go with the idiotic modern tendency to discard all the real accomplishments of talented people simply because of unrelated thing they did. People die, their creations and achievements live on.

PS Read a biography of Wagner once. By the standards of Germany at the time he wasn't particularly antisemitic and had Jewish connections. He just did not like the idea of people living separate from the rest of society. Hardly his fault that the Nazis made use of his work.

[minestrone]

I've been listening to Wagner since the 40s.

[minestrone]

Thriller, Billy Jean.

Yeah, not sure the "dont listen to it anymore" message works with me

[minestrone]

We have to be sure. I mean this is the greatest hook of all time.


Are we willing to throw all that away?

[xoggoth]

Why does a non-retarded adult invite children (unaccompanied by parents) to their house?

People were not so aware of the abuse threat then. Recall an episode of Cagney & Lacey in early 90s where an adult innocently invited an upset child into his bed and nobody thought anything of it. They wouldn't show such a thing on TV now.

[TheGreenBastard]

His behaviour in his lifetime was certainly unacceptable.

[minestrone]

His behaviour in his lifetime was certainly unacceptable.

[Lance]

So: he's not right in the head, has a predisposition to "entertain" young boys at his house (unattended), but knows what is and what isn't appropriate, i.e. knows not to molest or force them into any sexual situations.

I'm with William of Ockham on this one.

"appropriate behaviour"

[Old Greg]

You don't have any kids.

Sick burn, bro.

[Lance]

Most interesting that the kids who came into Jacksons life AFTER these pair such as Macauley Caulkin say nothing ever happened.

So you're saying that a paedo must interfere with every child they have opportunity to?

Also, interestingly that years ago both denied any wrongdoing from Jackson. Could be argued they were still riding the Jackson gravy train at the time and only afterwards when they were left high and dry did they decide to change their stories to cash in.

That's the problem though isn't it?

[minestrone]

Wouldn't have let him babysit my kids.

You don't have any kids.

[Old Greg]

Wouldn't have let him babysit my kids.

[minestrone]

Only watched part 1 so far.

Always though Jackson was probably a paedo. However, watching this I'm now probably convinced the other way now that he was not.

Certainly "strange" but thats it. Those two on the programme just came across as a pair of lying scumbags keen to cash in to be honest. Some really dodgy "facts" and of course, they know nothing can be proven one way or the other.

Most interesting that the kids who came into Jacksons life AFTER these pair such as Macauley Caulkin say nothing ever happened. I'm guessing Caulkin isn't short of cash like these pair so doesn't need to make up crap.

Also, interestingly that years ago both denied any wrongdoing from Jackson. Could be argued they were still riding the Jackson gravy train at the time and only afterwards when they were left high and dry did they decide to change their stories to cash in.

I always had him down as probably not, although these friendships with children were, hmmm, unacceptable.

Haven't seen the program but I've noticed a few people mention it was not exactly convincing.

[TheGreenBastard]

Without doubt hes not right in the head. doesn't make him a paedo though.

So: he's not right in the head, has a predisposition to "entertain" young boys at his house (unattended), but knows what is and what isn't appropriate, i.e. knows not to molest or force them into any sexual situations.

I'm with William of Ockham on this one.

[psychocandy]

Why does a non-retarded adult invite children (unaccompanied by parents) to their house?

Regardless of a sexual motivate, it's all a bit weird... But you're right maybe that's my predetermined bias talking.

What does Occam's razor imply?

Without doubt hes not right in the head. doesn't make him a paedo though.