Reply to: Everything I hate about irresponsible journalism.

[vetran]

Totalitarian state, no free media, a whipped up mindset against the Enemies of the People and a lack of willingness to believe it could be that bad.

And how many unarmed people are going to go up against soldiers with guns - when they're constantly being reassured they're just being relocated?

But there were rebellions - e.g. the uprising at Sobibór, when people realised they had nothing to lose.

divide and rule

Martin Niemoller: "First they came for the socialists..." | The Holocaust Encyclopedia

[Old Greg]

The probability of getting killed if you were a Jew under the Nazis must have been 99%. Very few from Poland survived.

They kept some to do some work, missed some and some managed to hide in a basement for a few years but they got just about all.

IBM punch cards for you.

EU attempts to create EU wide disease registries (national registries currently exist e.g. there is a UK renal registry) get frustrated by Germany, where registries were apparently used to round up people with disabilities during Nazi rule.

[minestrone]

The probability of getting killed if you were a Jew under the Nazis must have been 99%. Very few from Poland survived.

They kept some to do some work, missed some and some managed to hide in a basement for a few years but they got just about all.

IBM punch cards for you.

[LondonManc]

Indeed, so that's 60% non-Jewish victims, surprising that their representatives aren't quite as vocal - a forget-me-not here, a pink triangle there.

Of that 60% you've got politicals (whatever that may entail, hopefully politicians but no doubt German dissidents, so that's an in-house issue)
The Soviets (including Belarussian and Ukrainians) gave as good as they got to the Germans, so they won't complain - the Germans fled west in 1945 to surrender to the Brits/Yanks. Besides, they had Stalin slaughtering their own, so were hardly in a position to throw a snide j'accuse at the Germans.

[NotAllThere]

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wasn't a neo-Nazi. Egypt, Qatar and Saudi Arabia have also all promoted holocaust denial.

Let's not forget the Hamas Covenant too.

They're also fans of the blood libel.

[Eirikur]

Indeed, so that's 60% non-Jewish victims, surprising that their representatives aren't quite as vocal - a forget-me-not here, a pink triangle there.

The others are as vocal as well, but just not noticed so much in the west. Just visit any former Soviet Union country during or around the 8th of May and you will see

[Zigenare]

About 40%.



Source.

Indeed, so that's 60% non-Jewish victims, surprising that their representatives aren't quite as vocal - a forget-me-not here, a pink triangle there.

[LondonManc]

Not sure all holocaust deniers are necessarily neo-Nazis. Some seize on any daft conspiracy theory going.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wasn't a neo-Nazi. Egypt, Qatar and Saudi Arabia have also all promoted holocaust denial.

Let's not forget the Hamas Covenant too.

As for Europe, both far left and far right factions in France have both promoted it; there have been Belgian deniers on the far right (Flemish Bloc) and there was even an article in a Japanese publication which accused the Poles of faking it!

[NotAllThere]

Although Jews were slaughtered in large numbers, they weren't the only group to be persecuted.

About 40%.



Source.

[Zigenare]

Totalitarian state, no free media, a whipped up mindset against the Enemies of the People and a lack of willingness to believe it could be that bad.

And how many unarmed people are going to go up against soldiers with guns - when they're constantly being reassured they're just being relocated?

But there were rebellions - e.g. the uprising at Sobibór, when people realised they had nothing to lose.

There was a suspicion that something was happening. For example contact was lost with Freemasons who lived in the Nazi occupied countries. To the extent that Freemasonry went underground in the UK during the war years and didn't really leap back to its pre-war status after the war.

Although Jews were slaughtered in large numbers, they weren't the only group to be persecuted.

[NotAllThere]

All suposition, but you would think if they refused to get on the trains and the guards started shooting them in the station, someone somewhere would have got the news out?

Totalitarian state, no free media, a whipped up mindset against the Enemies of the People and a lack of willingness to believe it could be that bad.

And how many unarmed people are going to go up against soldiers with guns - when they're constantly being reassured they're just being relocated?

But there were rebellions - e.g. the uprising at Sobibór, when people realised they had nothing to lose.

[minestrone]

I'll quote the first bit for you:



Do you not think it inevitable that there will be those on the far right who want another Holocaust?

Wanting to find full on "6 million jews to the camps right now" crazy? I reckon you are probably looking at a few thousand people in the UK. Less than 1 in a million.

[TwoWolves]

Young people are generally very ignorant about most of the second world war.

The latest thing is calling Churchill a right-wing white supremacist. Should have seen the other guy.

[shaunbhoy]

The one thing I've always struggled with is that the population of Germany must have known about it, you can't keep something like that quiet, and therefore the people going to the camps should/would have known what was going to happen to them of they got on the trains. So why just let it happen?

All suposition, but you would think if they refused to get on the trains and the guards started shooting them in the station, someone somewhere would have got the news out?

Maybe it's my mind set, but if I knew I was going to be exterminated if I went through a door, I'd do my level best to seriously hurt someone before I went through it... Nothing to lose.

The tragic problem was that a great many of those going through that door didn't believe it till it was too late and the door was locked behind them.

Bit like the old "clutching at straws" mindset.

[Lost It]

The one thing I've always struggled with is that the population of Germany must have known about it, you can't keep something like that quiet, and therefore the people going to the camps should/would have known what was going to happen to them of they got on the trains. So why just let it happen?

All suposition, but you would think if they refused to get on the trains and the guards started shooting them in the station, someone somewhere would have got the news out?

Maybe it's my mind set, but if I knew I was going to be exterminated if I went through a door, I'd do my level best to seriously hurt someone before I went through it... Nothing to lose.