Reply to: What will a Brexit No Deal mean for current software systems

[original PM]

You need to ask why most other EU countries aren't as dirty. Could it be our politicians are crap?
Maybe its the way street cleaning is organised at the whim of local councils with no mandatory centrally enforced standards - even Surrey which is a Tory council running one of the richest parts of the UK was crap at it when we lived there.
As I noted when driving from Gatwick to central London, passing through Croydon and Merton you notice the filth lining the roads. It's shameful.

But hey, post Brexit no doubt teams of unicorns will clean the streets and hospitals, fight crime and plant trees that flower with gold coins.
Good luck with that.

Well yes - we do think our politicians are crap and they hide behind European legislation using it as an excuse to do nothing but line their own pockets.

Which is why we voted leave - to remove the blanket and get rid of the subterfuge - make our politicians responsible for all decisions relating to us.

But in reality it is normally Pikey's and transients who dump like this - because they do not live here so they do not care.

[GhostofTarbera]

You need to ask why most other EU countries aren't as dirty. Could it be our politicians are crap?
Maybe its the way street cleaning is organised at the whim of local councils with no mandatory centrally enforced standards - even Surrey which is a Tory council running one of the richest parts of the UK was crap at it when we lived there.
As I noted when driving from Gatwick to central London, passing through Croydon and Merton you notice the filth lining the roads. It's shameful.

But hey, post Brexit no doubt teams of unicorns will clean the streets and hospitals, fight crime and plant trees that flower with gold coins.
Good luck with that.

White British unicorns you mean

[sasguru]

So after 35 Years in the EU, and 1/2 trillion pounds paid in, we have a completely fcuked up country. So what benefit did we actually get after all that time and money?

Answers on a micro dot please....

You need to ask why most other EU countries aren't as dirty. Could it be our politicians are crap?
Maybe its the way street cleaning is organised at the whim of local councils with no mandatory centrally enforced standards - even Surrey which is a Tory council running one of the richest parts of the UK was crap at it when we lived there.
As I noted when driving from Gatwick to central London, passing through Croydon and Merton you notice the filth lining the roads. It's shameful.

But hey, post Brexit no doubt teams of unicorns will clean the streets and hospitals, fight crime and plant trees that flower with gold coins.
Good luck with that.

[Mordac]

So after 35 Years in the EU, and 1/2 trillion pounds paid in, we have a completely fcuked up country. So what benefit did we actually get after all that time and money?

Answers on a micro dot please....

Have you ever tried writing on a micro-dot with a crayon? Don't hold your breath is all I'm saying...

[DimPrawn]

The Uk is already 2nd rate: dirty streets and fly tipping are rampant, not enough police, people dying needlessly in one hospital scandal after another, long waits to see your GP.
After Brexit, the above will only get worse.
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So after 35 Years in the EU, and 1/2 trillion pounds paid in, we have a completely fcuked up country. So what benefit did we actually get after all that time and money?

Answers on a micro dot please....

[vetran]

The link you posted about rubbish dumps in Portugal is in the Algarve.
A place where lots of English people have settled.
So you're probably right.

Lisbon is cleaner than London, on the whole. Brussels varies, but where I am it's spotless.

I travel a lot for work right now, and only in the UK do you find the route from one of the main airports (Gatwick) to the city centre blighted by litter along most of the motorway.
It must give an awful impression to visitors.

Britian is the dirty man of Europe:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/95...e-million-week
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-year-in-a-row
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...tains-10233131
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...sh-litter.html

So its Brits going over there and running illegal rubbish tips or not recycling? Hmm maybe we should take responsibility for the brutality in Angola?

[sasguru]

Indeed and it tends to coincide with certain groups arriving or leaving the area.

The link you posted about rubbish dumps in Portugal is in the Algarve.
A place where lots of English people have settled.
So you're probably right.

Lisbon is cleaner than London, on the whole. Brussels varies, but where I am it's spotless.

I travel a lot for work right now, and only in the UK do you find the route from one of the main airports (Gatwick) to the city centre blighted by litter along most of the motorway.
It must give an awful impression to visitors.

Britian is the dirty man of Europe:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/95...e-million-week
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-year-in-a-row
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...tains-10233131
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...sh-litter.html

[vetran]

So good it posted twice!

[vetran]

But the UK does and lots of them. An old friend of mine in the UK is getting mighty upset about it as well...

https://www.mrw.co.uk/latest/fly-tip...017857.article

Indeed and it tends to coincide with certain groups arriving or leaving the area. Though making it the victims fault is probably a large part of it.

LMGTFY

About time our Police grew a pair and prosecuted.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/92...nning-taxpayer

[Lance]

Big co’s will need to split there accounts for UK and EU business for customers from each region

any more than they do already?

I very much doubt it. Multi-currency systems already exists for most industries and those may well cover different customs regimes.
Big co's already split their declared accounts so they can declare the most profit in the lowest tax regime.

[darmstadt]

so lets see, where were you off to to escape the world ending Brexit, oh yes Portugal.


Pity we don't just have illegal tips.
Illegal rubbish dump | Portugal Resident

But the UK does and lots of them. An old friend of mine in the UK is getting mighty upset about it as well...

https://www.mrw.co.uk/latest/fly-tip...017857.article

[vetran]

The Uk is already 2nd rate: dirty streets and fly tipping are rampant, not enough police, people dying needlessly in one hospital scandal after another, long waits to see your GP.
After Brexit, the above will only get worse.
In your more intelligent episodes, you know I'm right.
But anyway who gives a toss, I'm well out of it.
Good luck, hope it works out.

so lets see, where were you off to to escape the world ending Brexit, oh yes Portugal.


Pity we don't just have illegal tips.
Illegal rubbish dump | Portugal Resident

LAGOA’S OLD rubbish dump, which should have been closed down when the Barlavento landfill site was created in 1998, is still working illegally. The site, which is around two kilometres from Porches, still receives construction rubble, metal and garden waste, which is illegally dumped there on a regular basis

We don't want any of that recycling

https://www.algarvedailynews.com/new...landfill-sites

Portugal needs an "efficiency shock" in its landfill figures and water supply losses, according to the Minister of the Environment Jorge Moreia da Silva, speaking today at the Smart Waste Portugal conference.

According to the minister, the country has made excellent progress in water infrastructure, waste water treatment, bathing water quality, the number of blue flags on Portugal’s beaches, reducing landfill, promoting recycling and producing renewable energy – but it is all relative.

Despite the description that all is well, the minister went on to tell the 33 companies whose representatives were present at the conference that Portugal's waste and water systems could hardly be called efficient.

"A country that still puts 50% of its waste in landfill sites, loses 40% of the water it distributes and depends on 70% of its energy from abroad needs an 'efficiency shock' in order to align growth strategies and competitiveness with the more efficient use of resources."

Dirty hospital shocker!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...superbugs.html

British hospitals are among the worst in Europe for superbugs, according to figures published yesterday.
In a league table of 29 countries only Portugal, Malta, Cyprus and Romania have higher proportions of potentially deadly antibiotic-resistant hospital-acquired infections.

But this week's fantasy is Belgium isn't that where all the ISIS terrorists tend to congregate?

[Troll]

The Uk is already 2nd rate: dirty streets and fly tipping are rampant, not enough police, people dying needlessly in one hospital scandal after another, long waits to see your GP.
After Brexit, the above will only get worse.
In your more intelligent episodes, you know I'm right.
But anyway who gives a toss, I'm well out of it even though I can only find work in Belgium, it's a start.
Good luck, hope it works out.

I think its easy to be a bed wetting escapist but this country does a great many things very well.

FTFYB

[scooterscot]

NATS, a truly horrible place to work - corporate hell par excellence

Why I left. Typical ex-civil service. Full of slope like shoulder brushing it under the rug sorts. Hopefully they've retired off already enjoying some final salary pension.

[woohoo]

The Uk is already 2nd rate: dirty streets and fly tipping are rampant, not enough police, people dying needlessly in one hospital scandal after another, long waits to see your GP.
After Brexit, the above will only get worse.
In your more intelligent episodes, you know I'm right.
But anyway who gives a toss, I'm well out of it.
Good luck, hope it works out.

I agree some areas are like that. Hospital care varies so much and in some cases it's really poor. GP waiting times again vary depending on area and can be a pain.

But then lots of places are lovely, well maintained. Thriving cafe scene as city and town centres adapt to the lack of footfall. I think its easy to be pessimistic but this country does a great many things very well.