Reply to: Oh look, Korbyn is a liar and terrorist supporter

[Bean]

FTFY

and the guy currently chastising Corbyn

[darmstadt]

Johnson, your future national socialist leader

FTFY

[Bean]

Whataboutery of the highest order. (something you're happy to accuse others of when you don't like their comments)

You shouldn't absolve a government from supply weapons or not condemning those who use them on children.
You shouldn't absolve a government for supporting terrorism. But as is standard, let's find some way to make the current government seem as clean as possible, while blaming anyone and everyone who is not a Wailer of being absolute evil.

Tony Bliar was an evil man, possibly further to the right of his hero, Maggie.

I don't support the supply of weapons to groups who will use them on children. Theresa May, along with others, most certainly does. But several on here refuse to accept that, some, perhaps, even support it, because it's "business"

Where did I say I absolve the government of anything on this thread? post # please...

I'm saying there is a disproportionate focus on the deaths of 40 kids in Yemen, compared to 8500 globally from undernutrition.
(Focus should be on alleviating the greatest number of distressed children.)

Who is saying the current government is 'clean' and in what post # ?

As has been said before, ALL government persuasions have sold arms in the past, as it is legal to do so (legal challenges have failed) and is profitable.

Don't like the status quo? Well, the law needs to change then, but posting about governments selling arms that resulted in 40 dead kids on a forum won't achieve that, will it?
So;
Start a petition and post the link - people will sign it.
Send letters to your MP and advocate for others to do the same.

I haven't seen either of those things on posted on here (yet), so it's just virtue signalling for now...

As you were

[Zigenare]

Korbyn refuses to call terrorists - terrorists.

What’s next - Holocaust denial?

Don't be ridiculous, everyone knows the Holocaust happened. Israel keeps reminding us every time popular opinion goes against them!

[vetran]

Korbyn refuses to call terrorists - terrorists.

What’s next - Holocaust denial?

precisely.

[Zigenare]

To change the status quo you need to campaign. Its currently legal and the government support it. The public are slowly realising that it shouldn't happen. We need to change the law just as they did with Fox Hunting.

To become the most powerful person in the UK you need to appear to be trustworthy for the position. Liking non government sponsored terrorists is not a good look for a candidate.

I would like Jezzy with his baggage to step down and Labour field someone electable, we might get a decent government when the Tories are actually pushed.

Not in my or your lifetimes I fear.

[AtW]

Korbyn refuses to call terrorists - terrorists.

What’s next - Holocaust denial?

[vetran]

If it was me, I would stop selling arms to dodgy people.

I'm not running the country, or an arms dealer, so it's not my call.
But as long as this country is supplying arms to dodgy people, then insisting that only one person (or one group of people) in parliament is the only one who supports terrorism is false.

To change the status quo you need to campaign. Its currently legal and the government support it. The public are slowly realising that it shouldn't happen. We need to change the law just as they did with Fox Hunting.

To become the most powerful person in the UK you need to appear to be trustworthy for the position. Liking non government sponsored terrorists is not a good look for a candidate.

I would like Jezzy with his baggage to step down and Labour field someone electable, we might get a decent government when the Tories are actually pushed.

[WTFH]

So do we stop selling Arms or just not to dodgy states? The latter would cost £18 Billion but then some other country would sell them and we would have no oversight. I'm not sure the best choice but <£20 Billion is a good choice for a clean conscience.

If it was me, I would stop selling arms to dodgy people.

I'm not running the country, or an arms dealer, so it's not my call.
But as long as this country is supplying arms to dodgy people, then insisting that only one person (or one group of people) in parliament is the only one who supports terrorism is false.

[Zigenare]

Whataboutery of the highest order. (something you're happy to accuse others of when you don't like there comments)

You shouldn't absolve a government from supply weapons or not condemning those who use them on children.
You shouldn't absolve a government for supporting terrorism. But as is standard, let's find some way to make the current government seem as clean as possible, while blaming anyone and everyone who is not a Wailer of being absolute evil.

Tony Bliar was an evil man, possibly further to the right of his hero, Maggie.

I don't support the supply of weapons to groups who will use them on children. Theresa May, along with others, most certainly does. But several on here refuse to accept that, some, perhaps, even support it, because it's "business"

A lot of effort goes into ensuring that deployed ordnance arrives at its predetermined location. Targets of opportunity are rarely selected by the delivery driver due to the risk of collateral damage.

If your chosen enemy decide to use human shields unbeknownst to the mission planners or their intelligence sources then the responsibility for the deaths of innocents lies with your enemy, not with you.

It really is as cut and dried as that.

The moral case for war is a completely different discussion that I'm deliberately refraining from entering.

[vetran]

Whataboutery of the highest order. (something you're happy to accuse others of when you don't like there comments)

You shouldn't absolve a government from supply weapons or not condemning those who use them on children.
You shouldn't absolve a government for supporting terrorism. But as is standard, let's find some way to make the current government seem as clean as possible, while blaming anyone and everyone who is not a Wailer of being absolute evil.

Tony Bliar was an evil man, possibly further to the right of his hero, Maggie.

I don't support the supply of weapons to groups who will use them on children. Theresa May, along with others, most certainly does. But several on here refuse to accept that, some, perhaps, even support it, because it's "business"

So do we stop selling Arms or just not to dodgy states? The latter would cost £18 Billion but then some other country would sell them and we would have no oversight. I'm not sure the best choice but <£20 Billion is a good choice for a clean conscience.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7225351.html

A joint analysis conducted by the Independent and Campaign Against the Arms Trade found £10bn in arms licences were issued 2010-2015 to regimes designated “unfree” by Freedom House, including China, Oman, Turkmenistan and UAE.

Meanwhile £7.9bn worth of arms were sold to countries on the “human rights priority countries” list, which is maintained by the Foreign Office and includes countries judged by the FCO to have “the worst, or greatest number of, human rights violations”

[WTFH]

~8500 children die everyday (3.1M/year) due to undernutrition.....
https://www.worldhunger.org/world-child-hunger-facts/

Yes it's brutal for those involved, wherever, whenever, however children die - but surely the focus should be on undernutrition rather than Yemen, based on the numbers?

Whataboutery of the highest order. (something you're happy to accuse others of when you don't like there comments)

You shouldn't absolve a government from supply weapons or not condemning those who use them on children.
You shouldn't absolve a government for supporting terrorism. But as is standard, let's find some way to make the current government seem as clean as possible, while blaming anyone and everyone who is not a Wailer of being absolute evil.

Tony Bliar was an evil man, possibly further to the right of his hero, Maggie.

I don't support the supply of weapons to groups who will use them on children. Theresa May, along with others, most certainly does. But several on here refuse to accept that, some, perhaps, even support it, because it's "business"

[abu1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...Churchill.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/on...an-territories

Unfortunately the British people have forgotten their past.

[darmstadt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...Churchill.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/on...an-territories

[Zigenare]

Unfortunately the British MSM are so scared of the Jewish lobby they will never speak out. The Zionist committed murder of British soldiers and even a UN representative. Israel celebrate and commend those guys.

Also hypocrisy when the same people accusing Corbyn of anti Semitism defend Boris Johnson's comment as free speech. Guess its free speech for some and not others

Nowhere near the same.