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[NotAllThere]

That's what the MSM say

Of course, it all makes sense now. MSM can't be trusted so what some bloke posts on a blog must be true!

I feel so enlightened.

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Or is he just saying "anyone who doesn't publish what I want them to publish is a fake news outlet"?

That's what the MSM say - if he's saying that he's lifted it from them!

As for the term being used to "de-legitimize his election win", I'd be interested to know where you got that quote from.

It's not a quote from anywhere, it's my observation. The term 'fake news' became a thing around the same time the term 'snowflake' did - after the 2016 elections. It was used by MSM to try and establish themselves as 'real news'. It was also used by snowflakes as an excuse for why they lost and to try and nullify the result.

[WTFH]

I think Trump likes to call them fake news and use the term a lot because it was originally intended to de-legitimize his election win. So he's taken their term and used it on them.

All fun and games...

My question is: with all his claims that most media are fake news, claims which he continues to make, how many specific stories has he called out as fake news in the last 6 months?
Or is he just saying "anyone who doesn't publish what I want them to publish is a fake news outlet"?

As for the term being used to "de-legitimize his election win", I'd be interested to know where you got that quote from.

[Jog On]

Just go for everything he says is fake news.

Not just him - a lot of his opponents as well, they're all at it!

Trump administration coverage
On January 10, 2017, CNN reported on the existence of classified documents that said Russia had compromising personal and financial information about then President-elect Donald Trump. CNN did not publish the dossier, or any specific details of the dossier. Later that day, BuzzFeed published the entire 35-page dossier with a disclaimer that it was unverified and "includes some clear errors".[19][20][21] The dossier had been read widely by political and media figures in Washington, and had been sent to multiple other journalists who had declined to publish it as it was unsubstantiated.[19] At a press conference the following day, Trump referred to CNN as fake news and refused to take a question from CNN reporter Jim Acosta.[22]

On February 24, 2017, CNN and other media organizations such as The New York Times were blocked from a White House press briefing. The network responded in a statement: "Apparently this is how they retaliate when you report facts they don't like. We'll keep reporting regardless."[23]

On June 26, 2017, three network investigative journalists; Thomas Frank, Eric Lichtblau, and Lex Haris, resigned from CNN over a false story, later retracted, that connected Anthony Scaramucci to a $10 billion Russian investment fund. The network apologized to Scaramucci and stated that the online story did not meet their editorial standards.[24]

The Washington Post again fact-checked a CNN report regarding Trump on December 8, 2017: CNN ran a story that claimed two sources told the network that the Trump campaign received an email that gave Trump and his son Don Jr early access to WikiLeaks documents on September 4, 2016. CNN had not obtained the supposed September 4th email. The sender was "Michael J. Erickson", who CNN was not able to contact. The Washington Post, however, did obtain the email, which showed that the email was actually sent on the day after the hacked documents were released by WikiLeaks on September 14, 2016.[25] CNN issued a correction of their story.

The network also imposed new rules on Russia related stories being published to social, video, editorial, or MoneyStream without going through the chain of command within CNN.[26]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_co...ntial_election

I think Trump likes to call them fake news and use the term a lot because it was originally intended to de-legitimize his election win. So he's taken their term and used it on them.

All fun and games...

[WTFH]

Who compiles it and who decides what's 'fake'?

Just go for everything he says is fake news.

[WTFH]

Shall I start?
The S*n interview with Donald Trump on 13th July. "Fake News" cries Donald when they report what he says
Is the S*n a far left, or even centrist paper?

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Can we have a list, over the last 6 months let's say, of all the fake news, compared to all the times that Trump has used the phrase "fake news" in an attempt to convince people that anything to the left of Fox/DM is just 100% lies?

Who compiles it and who decides what's 'fake'?

[WTFH]

It appears the Donald has flip flopped again and doubled down on his original position:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...l-enemy-people

Can we have a list, over the last 6 months let's say, of all the fake news, compared to all the times that Trump has used the phrase "fake news" in an attempt to convince people that anything to the left of Fox/DM is just 100% lies?

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It appears the Donald has flip flopped again and doubled down on his original position:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...l-enemy-people

While arguments continue over whether the Helsinki Summit was a success (end of Cold War 2.0) or not (most treasonous president ever), President Trump is convinced "The Summit was a great success," and hints that there will be a second summit soon, where they will address: "stopping terrorism, security for Israel, nuclear proliferation, cyber attacks, trade, Ukraine, Middle East peace, North Korea and more."

However, we suspect what will 'trigger' the liberal media to melt down is his use of the Stalin-esque term "enemy of the people" to describe the Fake News Media once again...

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The right to bear arms in America and its random shootings by Americans who are angry at the system are totally different to ISIS killing and bombing their way through Europe. Both are repulsive. Plenty that's wrong with America but it would take far more than a single presidential term to fix it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...nters-disguise

Is naaiiicee!

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I guess the problem I have with your comment is that Trump is the Snowflake in Chief. Any media that disagrees with him is spreading fake news. He is completely self centred, as long as he gets his way, he's happy. If he gets his way and he gets to put other people down, he's happier. He runs away from criticism. And like a true snowflake, he hides behind daddy's money.

AFAIK the term 'snowflake' became a thing after he got elected to refer to people refusing to accept the outcome of a democratic election - particularly millennials who aren't accustomed to not getting their way (I blame the parents!).

I know he calls CNN and other left wing outlets fake news a lot - but they've actually published fake news about him which doesn't help their case. Not saying other media, particularly on the right (Fox/DM) don't either. Again I think the term 'fake news' was also borne of the 2016 election(s) but used by the sides that lost as an excuse to blame the loss on someone other than themselves and try and get the results overturned.

All that stuff about Hillary Clinton was true and that was a large reason for her loss and his win. She did all that stuff - giving him plenty to use against her, then she called his voter base 'deplorables' and thought she didn't need to campaign in the flyover states.

TBH I think this whole Russian meddling thing is fake news, unless you count RT publishing (true) Wikileaks stories about Hillary 'meddling'. Either way it wasn't anything like the scale of the MSM campaign to try and get her elected.

But yes I agree that he's vile - and a terrible ego maniac. Doesn't stop me agreeing with his foreign policy though if it means less war and conflict in the world and less threat of WW3. That's all I really care about.

[Yorkie62]

... Plenty that's wrong with America but it would take far more than a single presidential term to fix it.

What about one well aimed bullet from a grass knoll?

[LondonManc]

The response from Trump was that if only everyone in the crowd had been armed it wouldn't have happened, and that it would never happen in America. Then it happened in Vegas.
But shootings in America don't count unless they person carrying them out fits Trump's requirements to act.

The right to bear arms in America and its random shootings by Americans who are angry at the system are totally different to ISIS killing and bombing their way through Europe. Both are repulsive. Plenty that's wrong with America but it would take far more than a single presidential term to fix it.

[WTFH]

He's also probably going to win the mid terms and the next election. Unless the dems make some serious changes to how they debate and try and win over hearts and minds they will just keep losing more credibility by the day. Let's see what they come up with - if it's anything new, which isn't likely...

I suspect you may be partly right.

Don't want to see Trump in office? Then stop snowflaking and start campaigning on issues that people actually care about.

I guess the problem I have with your comment is that Trump is the Snowflake in Chief. Any media that disagrees with him is spreading fake news. He is completely self centred, as long as he gets his way, he's happy. If he gets his way and he gets to put other people down, he's happier. He runs away from criticism. And like a true snowflake, he hides behind daddy's money.

[Jog On]

The "Swamp" you refer to, is that the place that Trump campaigned to drain, saying it was full of cronies and people who were no good at their jobs? The same place he then filled with his family and friends?

I don't doubt he is a business negotiator. But he's not a political negotiator.
He's happy to make promises then leave it to someone else to deliver, or complain when it doesn't go his way. You may have noticed in the Helsinki interview he was asked a question he didn't like, so he started talking about Hillary Clinton's server. He also likes to deflect questions by talking about how wonderful some people are, or some places are, particularly if he has business interests there.

He's also probably going to win the mid terms and the next election. Unless the dems make some serious changes to how they debate and try and win over hearts and minds they will just keep losing more credibility by the day. Let's see what they come up with - if it's anything new, which isn't likely...

Don't want to see Trump in office? Then stop snowflaking and start campaigning on issues that people actually care about.