Reply to: Gaza clashes: 52 Palestinians killed on deadliest day since 2014

[NotAllThere]

How do the Israelis feel about the Palestinians? Do they treat the Palestinians as equals?

Palestinians cannot marry Jews in Israel (and the other way around ).

Only religious marriages can be performed in Israel. There is no secular marriage, there is no interfaith marriage. This is because marriage law has been inherited from that laid down in the Ottoman Empire and hasn't been changed.

However, if a couple marry abroad (even same sex), that is recognised as a legal marriage in Israel.

As far as the original topic is concerned, Israel treatment of Palastinians is atrocious and Hamas are a bunch of evil bastards. Both Hamas and Israel are probably reasonably happy with that 50+ people are dead.

[RetSet]

At least 52 Palestinians have been killed and 2,400 wounded by Israeli troops, Palestinian officials say, on the deadliest day of violence since the 2014 Gaza war.

They never learn.

Throw rocks at Israeli soldiers, said soldiers shoot back.

Darwin Awards x 52+

HTH

BTW. If Israel had MTF'd up and shipped them all out in 1967, this wouldn't have become a problem.

[LondonManc]

Well, any time I've asked you, you've changed the subject to say that Hamas use children as shields, that they were throwing petrol bombs, etc. So I thought it was about time I asked you a direct question that might illicit an answer that wasn't changing the subject.

Hence why I asked the question:

"So are you saying Israel is 100% innocent and they were only acting in self defence, or can you see any level that there is culpability on both sides?"

All you've done is firebomb a strawman - he's stated nothing like that. As pretty much everyone has said, there are protagonists for the conflict on both sides; Hamas are consistent enemies of the Jewish state of Israel and its people while the fighting intensifies whenever Israel elects a right-wing government, which they've had in place for the last eight years. One of the key issues which keeps getting overlooked is that Hamas keep bringing inferior firepower to a firefight then bitch and moan when they get beat, letting the liberal news stations of the world take up their cause.

[Age quod agis]

How do the Israelis feel about the Palestinians? Do they treat the Palestinians as equals?

Palestinians cannot marry Jews in Israel (and the other way around ).

[TheGreenBastard]

There were protestors there, and I was repeating myself about the culpability. At no time did I say that the murdered human beings were all completely innocent, nor that the Israeli army were completely guilty.

The reason I asked was your obsession with children used as human shields and with molotov cocktails - your first reply was to my comment asking where the cheering Trump supporters were.
Trump's words and actions directly and indirectly led to the activities of the last few days. They are not 100% the reason behind it, but they are a large part of that. He chose a date in full knowledge that it was symbolic, to make a second, reinforcing symbolic gesture which showed arrogance and a lack of concern or interest in the negative impact it would have.

Why do you keep using the word "obsession"? They're objective truths.

You're the one with the obsession of making conclusions based on assumption; regarding your choosing of a date statement, conversely I could argue it was chosen due to the significance to Israel: a date close to the forming of the state of Israel - I'm not a fan of Israel or Trump, but I could see how it would be fitting for Israel's closest ally to do it on such a date.

[WTFH]

You've "asked" me once - and by asked I mean presume I think Israel is 100% innocent for which you can't find any evidence.

But now we've got to something, culpability on both sides (your earlier statements which implied they're merely "protesters") - something I agree with.

There were protestors there, and I was repeating myself about the culpability. At no time did I say that the murdered human beings were all completely innocent, nor that the Israeli army were completely guilty.

The reason I asked was your obsession with children used as human shields and with molotov cocktails - your first reply was to my comment asking where the cheering Trump supporters were.
Trump's words and actions directly and indirectly led to the activities of the last few days. They are not 100% the reason behind it, but they are a large part of that. He chose a date in full knowledge that it was symbolic, to make a second, reinforcing symbolic gesture which showed arrogance and a lack of concern or interest in the negative impact it would have.

[TheGreenBastard]

Well, any time I've asked you, you've changed the subject to say that Hamas use children as shields, that they were throwing petrol bombs, etc. So I thought it was about time I asked you a direct question that might illicit an answer that wasn't changing the subject.

Hence why I asked the question:

"So are you saying Israel is 100% innocent and they were only acting in self defence, or can you see any level that there is culpability on both sides?"

You've "asked" me once - and by asked I mean presume I think Israel is 100% innocent for which you can't find any evidence.

But now we've got to something, culpability on both sides (your earlier statements which implied they're merely "protesters") - something I agree with.

[WTFH]

Could you please direct me to where I said that.

Well, any time I've asked you, you've changed the subject to say that Hamas use children as shields, that they were throwing petrol bombs, etc. So I thought it was about time I asked you a direct question that might illicit an answer that wasn't changing the subject.

Hence why I asked the question:

"So are you saying Israel is 100% innocent and they were only acting in self defence, or can you see any level that there is culpability on both sides?"

[Benny]

Didn't hear this level of righteous indignation about Myanmar

[TheGreenBastard]

So are you saying Israel is 100% innocent and they were only acting in self defence, or can you see any level that there is culpability on both sides?

Could you please direct me to where I said that.

[GreenMirror]

Don't panic! The UN are holding a conference. That will show them.

And I was getting worried there.

[WTFH]

Narrow minded? Hamas has routinely used children as human shields, built "schools" (weapon caches) in troubled areas.

Hamas invented the child suicide bomber.

So are you saying Israel is 100% innocent and they were only acting in self defence, or can you see any level that there is culpability on both sides?

[TheGreenBastard]

This is an awfully narrow minded and short sighted view of things. One of the saddest things I have ever seen was a Palestinian boy crouched behind a rock in a square whilst Israeli soldiers took pot shots at him. You could see the dirt kicked up where their bullets just missed him for over 10 minutes. Until they shot him dead.

Narrow minded? Hamas has routinely used children as human shields, built "schools" (weapon caches) in troubled areas.

Hamas invented the child suicide bomber.

[radish2008]

The fire bombs are an objective fact - I'm reflecting on your idiotic proclamation of them being merely protesters. That part of the world is explosive, rules of engagement are different, the "protesters" aren't merely "protesters" as you imply - you posed the question whether they are bad; well yeah, some of them are.

What are the children doing there? Typical tactic of Hamas: human shields.

It's certainly a shame, the loss of life.

This is an awfully narrow minded and short sighted view of things. One of the saddest things I have ever seen was a Palestinian boy crouched behind a rock in a square whilst Israeli soldiers took pot shots at him. You could see the dirt kicked up where their bullets just missed him for over 10 minutes. Until they shot him dead.

[TheGreenBastard]

Your obsession with molotov cocktails kinda makes it seem like snipers firing at children didn't happen and that the Palestinians are 100% to blame.

I do not believe that they are 100% to blame, or 100% innocent.

The fact is, 58 people were killed and you're obsessed that they were maybe throwing incendiaries at soldiers who were flying drones of tear gas at them and shooting.

The fire bombs are an objective fact - I'm reflecting on your idiotic proclamation of them being merely protesters. That part of the world is explosive, rules of engagement are different, the "protesters" aren't merely "protesters" as you imply - you posed the question whether they are bad; well yeah, some of them are.

What are the children doing there? Typical tactic of Hamas: human shields.

It's certainly a shame, the loss of life.