Reply to: Sir Alan Sugar tweets picture of Jeremy Corbyn next to Hitler

[darmstadt]

Maybe he was like an ex-smoker:

Marx was ancestrally Jewish as his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.
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Prior to his son's birth, and to escape the constraints of anti-semitic legislation, Herschel converted from Judaism to Lutheranism, the main Protestant denomination in Germany and Prussia at the time, taking on the German forename of Heinrich over the Yiddish Herschel.

[minestrone]

"In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism"

Pretty explicit there.

Most of these 'peoples favourites' are screwballs. Ghandi disliked blacks, Guevara utterly hated them.

[WTFH]

Yes, that is not anti semitic.

If only you had heard of a thing called context, rather than just taking selective quotes and shoving them together.

Marx was talking about people who call themselves Jews, but are non-practicing. That's like people who call themselves christians, but don't go to church, don't believe the bible and don't live lives the way Jesus taught.

He was talking about secular Judaism.

Let's take another one of his quotes:

Judaism reaches its highest point with the perfection of civil society

Does that sound anti-semitic?

Of course, that's 200 years ago. The current UK government are saints, and have supporters like you, who take every word they say as true.

the Pope is the Antichrist and by his titles and claims he blasphemes Almighty God.

IRA - Sinn Féin - ISIS, no difference.

[minestrone]

Is it true though?

No

[original PM]

Yes, that is not anti semitic.

Is it true though?

[minestrone]

You better read this before you post such carp

Karl Marx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question

What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.

Yes, that is not anti semitic.

[Paddy]

Do not under any circumstances fall for their cover story that they are criticising Israel. This is where they get their anti-Semitism from...



Written nearly 200 years ago it is a horrific example of anti Semitism by Marx and his thoughts have carried through both Communism and its bastard child National Socialism.

Marx hated the Jews as they often worked in finance and saw them as some kind of capitalist super race. What they don't often tell you is that they only took on that work as they were banned from manual labour through much of Europe for hundreds of years.

The 'Oh we're just really critical of Israel' shtick has only taken on recent
prominence as they have teamed up with their Islamist 'friends' over this tulip.

You better read this before you post such carp

Karl Marx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question

[darmstadt]

Things that make my day:

Seeing Alan Sugar described as “like someone tattooed Sid James on a scrotum”

[xoggoth]

Good point.

Just why are left wingers like Corbyn so opposed to Israel in the first place? If they hate capitalism so much you would think the US would be the most loathed nation. If they are just standing up for the downtrodden, why do we see so little Labour comment on other issues like the Rohingya crisis?

Thinking about it, it's hard to see any good reason for it other than they think it is some part of a global capitalist Jewish conspiracy. In other words, maybe anti-semitism drives anti Zionism, not the other way round.

[minestrone]

??

Like every other issue, sex discrimination, racism, etc, society seems to swing from one extreme to another. Real problems are ignored for years and then we suddenly go totally over the top the other way, a brief pat on the arm is sexual harassment, asking for better controls on immigration is racism.

Now this anti-semitism thing is getting a bit daft. No fan of Hamas or Islam in general but I can see their point of view. If any group had been handed a large chunk of the UK because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago and my grandparents had been chucked out I think I'd be a bit pissed off too. Admittedly attitudes do tend to spill over, but just because someone sympathises more with Palestinians than with Israel does not necessarily make them anti-Semitic. This Holocaust day thing too. Is it really so unreasonable, after 70 years, that we should use the day to remember others who suffered massacres too?

PS Not sure where the real anti-semites get their info from. Personally, I never have a clue which public figures are of Jewish descent as most are integrated and very British. Until today never had a clue that Sugar or Phelps were Jewish.
PPS Except Claudia Winkelman. Coor. She's lovely!

Do not under any circumstances fall for their cover story that they are criticising Israel. This is where they get their anti-Semitism from...



Written nearly 200 years ago it is a horrific example of anti Semitism by Marx and his thoughts have carried through both Communism and its bastard child National Socialism.

Marx hated the Jews as they often worked in finance and saw them as some kind of capitalist super race. What they don't often tell you is that they only took on that work as they were banned from manual labour through much of Europe for hundreds of years.

The 'Oh we're just really critical of Israel' shtick has only taken on recent prominence as they have teamed up with their Islamist 'friends' over this tulip.

[minestrone]

On the plus side, maybe we'll get Eddie Izzard as Labour leader.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-eddie-izzard

They will have it in for him shortly.

[SueEllen]

Still seems more Tories and their ilk are antisemtic:

Tories are traditionally linked to being racist, sexist, etc while Labour is traditionally linked to standing up for the minorities the Tories discriminate against.

If Labour turns on any minority who helps make up its party members, elected officials and party donors means the voice of other minorities within it's party are under threat. The fact the party leader deliberately ignores abuse and bigotry from movements and groups affiliated to the Labour party aimed at a religious and ethnic group that is historically linked to the start of persecution of other minorities is concerning not only for the party itself but British politics.

This is why anti-Semitism in Labour is seen as much worse than any anti-Semitism a Tory or UKIP party member, elected official or party donor has.

To be fair there are OAPs who saw the sh*t Labour did in the 1970s and early 80s due to the threats and abuse they received for being moderate party and union members, and said from when Corbyn came in that the Labour party are headed for trouble.

[scooterscot]

The practice of political philosophy should be without religious influence, donors etc.. hate will always rase its ugly head on both sides in the end. Laterally, if there are those in government who feel they cannot practice a career in politics without the guidance of a sky fairy, they should leave office.

[xoggoth]

One should be careful about surveys on attitudes because we do not know what questions are being asked. Is this real anti-Semitism or a just a perception of same from a slanted viewpoint?

In any case what people think is their business, it is what they say and do that matters. More important to reality are levels of actual anti-Semitic abuse or attacks. Even then it appears very complex, countries in Western Europe have more of a problem with Muslims and left wingers than right wingers, In Russia it's right wingers.

https://www.hlsenteret.no/publikasjo...ig-versjon.pdf

[xoggoth]

??

Like every other issue, sex discrimination, racism, etc, society seems to swing from one extreme to another. Real problems are ignored for years and then we suddenly go totally over the top the other way, a brief pat on the arm is sexual harassment, asking for better controls on immigration is racism.

Now this anti-semitism thing is getting a bit daft. No fan of Hamas or Islam in general but I can see their point of view. If any group had been handed a large chunk of the UK because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago and my grandparents had been chucked out I think I'd be a bit pissed off too. Admittedly attitudes do tend to spill over, but just because someone sympathises more with Palestinians than with Israel does not necessarily make them anti-Semitic. This Holocaust day thing too. Is it really so unreasonable, after 70 years, that we should use the day to remember others who suffered massacres too?

PS Not sure where the real anti-semites get their info from. Personally, I never have a clue which public figures are of Jewish descent as most are integrated and very British. Until today never had a clue that Sugar or Phelps were Jewish.
PPS Except Claudia Winkelman. Coor. She's lovely!