Reply to: Trump V Kim Jong Un

[AtW]

Proper summits never run before everything is agreed - only moron like Trump would do otherwise, but then again he isn't doing it for a result, just for PR.

This time next year Trump will be facing jail, so Kim knows that fraud is spent power.

[WTFH]

Please give me a shout when you want to buy your next car. Just remember you can't walk away.

You can walk away after negotiations have failed. You don’t walk away before attempting to negotiate.

Imagine going into a car dealer and asking them the price of a car. They say £69,950 and you say “no” and walk out the door.
You have failed at negotiating.

Walk in, ask the price, discuss options, consider what you can bargain with, consider what they can bargain with. They might not be able to throw in many upgrades to the build of the car, but they could throw in mats & flaps and maybe free servicing, etc.
If, after negotiating, where both sides have discussed what they want/can offer, that you know you’ll get a better deal elsewhere, then walk away after negotiating.

[WTFH]

Mrs T May is the prime minister. It's not the EU's fault she can't land it. Are you suggesting that the EU should have negotiated directly with parliament?

In any case it's not the EU which is walking away from the negotiations.

No, he's suggesting that the elected Prime Minister of the UK and her negotiating team should not be allowed to negotiate because they do not represent something or other.
Maybe it should have been Farage, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Jacob Ree-Smog?

[Old Greg]

A bit contradictory don't you think. The EU made an agreement with itself and someone claiming to represent the UK call Mrs. T. May. That individual's claim to represent the UK has since looked to be over stated.

Mrs T May is the prime minister. It's not the EU's fault she can't land it. Are you suggesting that the EU should have negotiated directly with parliament?

In any case it's not the EU which is walking away from the negotiations.

[Yorkie62]

This is the EU that made significant compromises to agree a withdrawal agreement with the UK, that the UK won't now sign up to.

A bit contradictory don't you think. The EU made an agreement with itself and someone claiming to represent the UK call Mrs. T. May. That individual's claim to represent the UK has since looked to be over stated.

[Old Greg]

Sounds just like the EUs approach to negotiation.

This is the EU that made significant compromises to agree a withdrawal agreement with the UK, that the UK won't now sign up to.

[WTFH]

Please give me a shout when you want to buy your next car. Just remember you can't walk away.

You can walk away if, after negotiations, you can't reach a mutually acceptable outcome.

If one side is prepared to negotiate, but the other side is not interested in discussing what it wants, then the negotiations will go nowhere, as has been made obvious over the last 3 years. Repeating glib phrases is not negotiating. Actually suggesting what you want is a step forward, but one that the UK hasn't done.

[Yorkie62]

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In Trump's book, "The Art of The Deal" his idea of making a deal is to defeat the opposition, to beat them to a point where they accept whatever you say. That is not negotiation. That is not what successful individuals, successful businesses or successful countries do. It is, on the other hand, the standard action of bullies and cry babies.

Sounds just like the EUs approach to negotiation.

[Gibbon]

If you can't get the deal you want, you negotiate to get a deal that works for both parties. Walking away is the cowardly thing to do, it's proof that you've failed.

Please give me a shout when you want to buy your next car. Just remember you can't walk away.

[WTFH]

But a good example of how to handle negotiations. If you can't get the deal you want. WALK!

No, it shows abject failure at negotiating.

If you can't get the deal you want, you negotiate to get a deal that works for both parties. Walking away is the cowardly thing to do, it's proof that you've failed. You don't know what you want, you aren't prepared to negotiate, but you're happy to twist the other side's words - was it "partially lift sanctions" or "lift all sanctions"?

In Trump's book, "The Art of The Deal" his idea of making a deal is to defeat the opposition, to beat them to a point where they accept whatever you say. That is not negotiation. That is not what successful individuals, successful businesses or successful countries do. It is, on the other hand, the standard action of bullies and cry babies.

[NigelJK]

Sounds familiar.

[Yorkie62]

Trump doesn't walk. He's too obese and doddery to do so. Straight into a golf cart as soon as he can.

How much did this latest fiasco cost the American public?

But a good example of how to handle negotiations. If you can't get the deal you want. WALK!

[WTFH]

Part II : Trump walks.

Trump doesn't walk. He's too obese and doddery to do so. Straight into a golf cart as soon as he can.

How much did this latest fiasco cost the American public?

[AtW]

Good for what?

Eating pies

[Old Greg]

MF is generally a very strange fellow, strange, but good.

Good for what?