Reply to: Jordan Peterson vs Cathy Newman

[minestrone]

Cathy Newman does not look well.

Genuinely.

I dont have a view on her. But she looks puffy now.

Maybe she is just hungover,.

[Gibbon]

But what is Rishi going to do to plug the hole in the finances now?

[SueEllen]

Ere! What are us blokes gonna get tax free?

You get to keep more of your money as we aren't spending it on Tampax tax.

[xoggoth]

Ere! What are us blokes gonna get tax free?

[cojak]

Happy New Year!

Activists cheer as 'sexist' tampon tax is scrapped Activists cheer as '''sexist''' tampon tax is scrapped - BBC News

[darmstadt]

Jordan Peterson looks like Adolf Hitler reincarnated

[minestrone]

Cathy Newman does not look well.

[woohoo]

This is exactly the kind of thing that Peterson critisizes. He says that males benefit from things like [tough exams/football in the school yard, your examples] because they suit male aptitudes and abilities, and develop strength and competitiveness in young men. Removing these structures is wrong and unfair because it disenfranchises a large group (men, in this case), and leaves them without purpose.

Right, that's it, book ordered (12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos).

Let me know if it’s any good?

[unixman]

I think it goes back further to school. When I was at school they stopped competitive sports. They stopped the boys from playing football in the playground because boys dominated the space. They did not find alternatives. School work changed from exam based to coursework which does not favour boys.

This is exactly the kind of thing that Peterson critisizes. He says that males benefit from things like [tough exams/football in the school yard, your examples] because they suit male aptitudes and abilities, and develop strength and competitiveness in young men. Removing these structures is wrong and unfair because it disenfranchises a large group (men, in this case), and leaves them without purpose.

Right, that's it, book ordered (12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos).

[woohoo]

Yes - "Where are all the good men?!"

"They've been emasculated by angry shrieking dyed hair 3/10's"

I think it goes back further to school. When I was at school they stopped competitive sports. They stopped the boys from playing football in the playground because boys dominated the space. They did not find alternatives. School work changed from exam based to coursework which does not favour boys.

So I don't think schools have the discipline that boys need or the outlet for their energy. Something is also wrong when boys are doing so badly at school, it's clear something is failing.

Yep and then you get to the hysteria about pay gap, patriochary etc.

[Jog On]

Yeah I also think a lot of women are getting a bit sick of it all the moaning about inequality when it's clear that a lot of men are suffering and not doing well.

Yes - "Where are all the good men?!"

"They've been emasculated by angry shrieking dyed hair 3/10's"

[Jog On]

This winds me up no end. The focus is always on the men at the top, but how about the men at the bottom? Why are 95% of people in prison male? Why is suicide the biggest cause of death in young men? Why are young men performing much worse than girls at educational attainment? Why has a generation of young men been thrown on the scrapheap as apprenticeships have been axed? Why is it our young men who get sent off to fight and die on foreign battlefields? Why are young men becoming ever more despondent and dependent on drugs?

The warriors always focus on the men at the top. It would be nice if a fraction of this energy was put into fighting for the men at the bottom.

They are very selective with what facts are relevant when it comes to their agenda and narrative.

What they are attempting (and failing at) is to force the other side to change for them as opposed to just changing themselves. They think victimizing themselves, blaming others for their situation and ordering the other side to disarm and surrender is going to work.

Those lefty SJWs are just going to have to step up to the plate and learn how to win the game by being better at it. The revolution must be won from within!

I'm sick of hearing about attacks on 'white males' - isn't that just a tad racist and sexist?

In 20 years of being in the work force I've seen an equal representation of gender/race throughout. Reported to several female/non-Caucasian (sometimes both!) superiors who I know for a fact are being paid very well - a lot of them contractors. I've yet to see any patriarchy or racial discrimination in a workplace.

Still - let them rage if that's what they need to do. Glad more people are waking up and saying No to it.

[woohoo]

This winds me up no end. The focus is always on the men at the top, but how about the men at the bottom? Why are 95% of people in prison male? Why is suicide the biggest cause of death in young men? Why are young men performing much worse than girls at educational attainment? Why has a generation of young men been thrown on the scrapheap as apprenticeships have been axed? Why is it our young men who get sent off to fight and die on foreign battlefields? Why are young men becoming ever more despondent and dependent on drugs?

The warriors always focus on the men at the top. It would be nice if a fraction of this energy was put into fighting for the men at the bottom.

Yeah I also think a lot of women are getting a bit sick of it all the moaning about inequality when it's clear that a lot of men are suffering and not doing well.

[HugeWhale]

I found it quite interesting when they talked about men running the top 100 ftse companies.

This winds me up no end. The focus is always on the men at the top, but how about the men at the bottom? Why are 95% of people in prison male? Why is suicide the biggest cause of death in young men? Why are young men performing much worse than girls at educational attainment? Why has a generation of young men been thrown on the scrapheap as apprenticeships have been axed? Why is it our young men who get sent off to fight and die on foreign battlefields? Why are young men becoming ever more despondent and dependent on drugs?

The warriors always focus on the men at the top. It would be nice if a fraction of this energy was put into fighting for the men at the bottom.

[The_Equalizer]

An interesting view on the interview as it unfolded here...

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/0...rdan-peterson/

I found the whole Cathy Newman interview thing fascinating (which I'd coincidentally watched this morning before finding this thread). It makes you wonder how she (and others like Diana Abbott) managed to get into Oxbridge.