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[BrilloPad]

Yes, yes they are....

So being a Brexiter is like being a married man.......

[greenlake]

Are they responsible for you keep crashing your car too?

Yes, yes they are....

[BrilloPad]

Yes, and that's another thing Brexiters are reponsible for

Are they responsible for you keep crashing your car too?

[AtW]

Nah Vlad the invader wants the EU in pieces. For that to happen Brexit the event with no name needs to succeed.

Yes, and that's another thing Brexiters are reponsible for

[BrilloPad]

There is no-one better than May around. Except me. And I don't want to the job.

[vetran]

Brexit will help take down Tory Govt, much sooner than otherwise - they'd have a good shot in 2020 if it wasn't for Brexit.

Korbyn is closet Brexiter, which is why those who voted for Brexit helped his ascendancy - Cameron would have stayed on if referendum result was different, and in 2020 it would have been far less likely for Korbyn to come it, but now it's inevitable probably as soon as 2019.

Nah Vlad the invader wants the EU in pieces. For that to happen Brexit the event with no name needs to succeed.

[AtW]

Well there you have the problem. Corbyn is/isn't/is/who-the-f**k-knows in favour of leaving Europe. Blaming his apparent ascendancy on Brexit is both pathetic and inaccurate.

Brexit will help take down Tory Govt, much sooner than otherwise - they'd have a good shot in 2020 if it wasn't for Brexit.

Korbyn is closet Brexiter, which is why those who voted for Brexit helped his ascendancy - Cameron would have stayed on if referendum result was different, and in 2020 it would have been far less likely for Korbyn to come it, but now it's inevitable probably as soon as 2019.

[malvolio]

Idiots who voted for Brexit are the ones who made it inevitable for Korbyn to run the country into the ground, well done

Well there you have the problem. Corbyn is/isn't/is/who-the-f**k-knows in favour of leaving Europe. Blaming his apparent ascendancy on Brexit is both pathetic and inaccurate.

Also, more to the point, we will only get a Corbyn government before another four years or so if the current one loses a vote of confidence. No doubt a fair number of our elected representatives are working to make that happen and to hell with the damage it will do.

[AtW]

Idiots who voted for Brexit are the ones who made it inevitable for Korbyn to run the country into the ground, well done

[malvolio]

Every form of electoral system has issues of unfairness.

True. But we have universal suffrage, largely based on what people believe they are voting for. It's just a little frustrating when what they believe is so clearly wrong because it's based on popularity rather than desirability or heavily biased media like the BBC, the Grauniad and both opposing incarnations of the Wail. But t's still a better option than anything else, all we can hope to do is point out the dangers and hope someone takes notice.

[SueEllen]

So what's the point in having elected representatives then? Might as well make each country a corporation :-)

As for Mickey Mouse soundbites, quite true, we only need to look at a recent referendum for that :-)

Every form of electoral system has issues of unfairness.

[DimPrawn]

Korbyn is coming!

[darmstadt]

And your point is? That people elect their representatives without having the faintest idea what they stand for other than some mickey-mouse soundbite? Or that all Labour's advice comes from elected representatives? Or that people outside the Westminster bubble are not the best placed to advise in matters like economics, social policy and industry in general and we should rely on amateurs?

Sorry. Must try harder...


BTW - before claiming McCluskey is an elected leader, take a closer look at Unite's election processes, levels of representation and policy...

So what's the point in having elected representatives then? Might as well make each country a corporation :-)

As for Mickey Mouse soundbites, quite true, we only need to look at a recent referendum for that :-)

[malvolio]

McDonnell is the elected MP for Hayes and Harlington, McCluskey is an elected union official whereas Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill who were May's closest advisers and responsible for much of the mess, were not elected at all. In fact much of the current Tory government is "advised" by business (and seems to be either financial or media related) and unelected bureaucrats: Oliver Robbins for example

And your point is? That people elect their representatives without having the faintest idea what they stand for other than some mickey-mouse soundbite? Or that all Labour's advice comes from elected representatives? Or that people outside the Westminster bubble are not the best placed to advise in matters like economics, social policy and industry in general and we should rely on amateurs?

Sorry. Must try harder...


BTW - before claiming McCluskey is an elected leader, take a closer look at Unite's election processes, levels of representation and policy...

[darmstadt]

Love this idea of Corbyn as PM. FFS he is not the one in charge of Labour, that's McDonnell and Team McCluskey, who have got Corbyn up front as an ineffectual granddad who for some reason appeals to people who vote based on what the telly says and does what he's told.

The finance houses don't give a stuff about Corbyn, they are preparing for a McDonnell Chancellorship, well aware that his policies would screw the UK for the next 30 years - again...

May isn't good, by any means, but her ragtag mob are infinitely preferable to having an unelected shadow government in power.

McDonnell is the elected MP for Hayes and Harlington, McCluskey is an elected union official whereas Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill who were May's closest advisers and responsible for much of the mess, were not elected at all. In fact much of the current Tory government is "advised" by business (and seems to be either financial or media related) and unelected bureaucrats: Oliver Robbins for example