Reply to: Why is undertaking acceptable for cyclists?

[SueEllen]

Sorry, Looking at it now, its not the same case, the one I was talking about was not a pensioner :

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...his-track-bike

Yeah well he is a Muppet and I'm being polite.

[Snarf]

Where does it say this guy was riding a track bike?

Likewise during Ride London they stipulate what you must have on your bike and wear on your person as anyone who volunteers, like me, can call the cyclist out.

Watching the London Marathon this year with friends, we had to tell idiots not to cross the road in front of the runners.

Sorry, Looking at it now, its not the same case, the one I was talking about was not a pensioner :

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...his-track-bike

[DaveB]

Yeah, but when you look at that in more detail than just the headline you will see that he was riding a track bike (no front brake) which is not legally allowed to be used on the roads... If I was driving a car with 50% of the brakes not working I'd get f*cked for running a pensioner over too!

Wrong story, that was the hipster muppet on Old Street.

This is a separate incident on Oxford Street. No details released yet as to exactly what happened.

[SueEllen]

Dual use pavements are a terrible idea.

My average speed when having a leisurely cycle home is around 15Km/h if I'm in a bit of a rush rush I can hit 30 easily with bursts a bit faster if needed.

I weigh 85Kg, the bike, laptop bag etc easily round that up to 100Kg travelling at ~ 20Km/h.

That's 100Kg at 12Mph... fast enough and heavy enough to do some damage to us both...

Couldn't agree more.

Though most cyclists in my area and me, myself, do the best not to run people over.

Unfortunately dumb walkers and groups of people are a fecking menace on shared paths.

I have told off people for not paying attention or taking up the entire path whether walking, running or cycling simply because I tend to move faster than lots of people. Teenagers and older people particularly older women are the most clueless.

[SueEllen]

Yeah, but when you look at that in more detail than just the headline you will see that he was riding a track bike (no front brake) which is not legally allowed to be used on the roads... If I was driving a car with 50% of the brakes not working I'd get f*cked for running a pensioner over too!

Where does it say this guy was riding a track bike?

Likewise during Ride London they stipulate what you must have on your bike and wear on your person as anyone who volunteers, like me, can call the cyclist out.

Watching the London Marathon this year with friends, we had to tell idiots not to cross the road in front of the runners.

[Snarf]

Pedestrian dies after Oxford Street cyclist crash

A 73-year-old woman has died after being struck by a cyclist on London's Oxford Street.

Pedestrian dies after Oxford Street cyclist crash - BBC News

Yeah, but when you look at that in more detail than just the headline you will see that he was riding a track bike (no front brake) which is not legally allowed to be used on the roads... If I was driving a car with 50% of the brakes not working I'd get f*cked for running a pensioner over too!

[Snarf]

Cycling: Groups call for action on 'car-dooring' - BBC News

If I as a driver undertake another vehicle I am in the wrong, why is it encouraged for cyclists to do the opposite of all other road users.

Well, no.

If you are in crawling/congested traffic and under the speed its perfectly fine to undertake, for example on a three lane motorway in a slow moving jam you would not sit stationary in lane one with a massive gap in front of you because lane two wasn't moving..

I would suggest that if a bike is undertaking you and you are not in slow moving traffic that you are either driving far too slowly or they are breaking the speed limit *

* Very unlikely unless its a very low limit or you're sharing the road with Bradley Wiggins.

[Snarf]

I can't believe the way some people take their lives in their hands riding through the middle of Bristol every morning. Some of those roundabouts are deathtraps for cycles & I've even seen them towing kids in buggies.

Stupid really because there's no need - the pavements are dual use but I guess they CBA to navigate all the pelican crossings to get across safely.

Dual use pavements are a terrible idea.

My average speed when having a leisurely cycle home is around 15Km/h if I'm in a bit of a rush rush I can hit 30 easily with bursts a bit faster if needed.

I weigh 85Kg, the bike, laptop bag etc easily round that up to 100Kg travelling at ~ 20Km/h.

That's 100Kg at 12Mph... fast enough and heavy enough to do some damage to us both...

[SueEllen]

Pedestrian dies after Oxford Street cyclist crash

A 73-year-old woman has died after being struck by a cyclist on London's Oxford Street.

Pedestrian dies after Oxford Street cyclist crash - BBC News

And?

The cyclist hasn't been arrested for knocking her over.

If you knock an old person over in a car - and it is normally an old person - who decides not to use a pedestrian crossing correctly, then if you stop but aren't drunk, otherwise intoxicated or clearly speeding, and don't behave like a complete dick you are likely not to get arrested let alone prosecuted.

[Paddy]

Pedestrian dies after Oxford Street cyclist crash

Pedestrian dies after Oxford Street cyclist crash

A 73-year-old woman has died after being struck by a cyclist on London's Oxford Street.

Pedestrian dies after Oxford Street cyclist crash - BBC News

[jds 1981]

It will be the same as for motorcyclists. https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/filte...ike-whats-law/

Would probably come down to assigning fault, if it was slow moving traffic then the car driver should check mirrors before turning. Mirror, signal then maneuver.
If there's a bike there then you probably need to wait. If busy (London) it might come down to a case of edging out as per normal London special traffic rules...

Probably worth comparing it to turning right when you are on your motorbike. Who do you think would have priority then, who if there was an accident would be at fault?

[jds 1981]

Honest question... If cyclists filter on the left as opposed to the middle like motorcyclists because they are usually slower which is fair enough; are they supposed to give way to motor vehicles at junctions? Give way to a car or lorry turning left for instance?

As a motorcyclist and car driver i always check for cycles before turning but what is the cyclist's responsibility in this scenario?

It will be the same as for motorcyclists. https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/filte...ike-whats-law/

Would probably come down to assigning fault, if it was slow moving traffic then the car driver should check mirrors before turning. Mirror, signal then maneuver.
If there's a bike there then you probably need to wait. If busy (London) it might come down to a case of edging out as per normal London special traffic rules...

[SueEllen]

There are plenty of streets that get congested that don't have cycle lanes. Filter one of those, and you're liable to get a ticket.

Luckily I'm in the UK then.

[SueEllen]

Honest question... If cyclists filter on the left as opposed to the middle like motorcyclists because they are usually slower which is fair enough; are they supposed to give way to motor vehicles at junctions? Give way to a car or lorry turning left for instance?

As a motorcyclist and car driver i always check for cycles before turning but what is the cyclist's responsibility in this scenario?

Not to get killed.

If you see a vehicle indicating left it's in front of you so you stay behind it.

If it is a lorry or a bus you don't filter down the left of it. linky

[NotAllThere]

There is no need to in lots of other European countries as they have lots of cycle lanes which don't have parked cars in them or aren't next to the door zone.

There are plenty of streets that get congested that don't have cycle lanes. Filter one of those, and you're liable to get a ticket.