Reply to: Getting a bit politically correct round here...

[northernladyuk]

Bloody liberal elite!

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[Pip in a Poke]

Hmmm....... inneresting.

The bell weather country for all this nonsense vis a vis what is heading our way is Canada.

Yes, really.

An example I was made aware of recently concerns the Canadian state broadcaster which has decreed that the song "Dreadlock Holiday" by 10cc will be added to a list of banned songs owing to the fact that it contains the homophobic lyric "Don't queer on me pitch".

Completely barking mad!

I can't imagine a band as anodyne as 10cc being capable of generating a furore that would do little more than pull the skin off a rice pudding.

Now, if they'd had them on cultural appropriation that may have been a slightly different matter.....

While I'm at it, I was watching some 1950s Daktari cum Born Free style flick on BBC Television last week prior to which a warning was issued telling us that the film contained "colonial themes likely to cause offence". I presume they were referring to the way in which all the coolies were addressing the white men as "Bwana" or something.

[SueEllen]

You are usually wrong, but it's not because of your race, gender or sexual orientation.
It's because you're thick.

Bloody liberal elite!

[sasguru]

Ok it seems to work like this.

Islam is always right.

Gay is always right unless Islam says it isn't.

Woman is always right unless Islam or gay says it's not.

If you are a straight white make you are always wrong, even if you are right you are wrong because you are abusing white privilege.

You are usually wrong, but it's not because of your race, gender or sexual orientation.
It's because you're thick.

[cojak]

Only in Corbyn's world.

You don't have to look to far on the Left for women, gay and poor people pointing this out.

Just ask Sarah Champion...

[northernladyuk]

Ok it seems to work like this.

Islam is always right.

Gay is always right unless Islam says it isn't.

Woman is always right unless Islam or gay says it's not.

If you are a straight white make you are always wrong, even if you are right you are wrong because you are abusing white privilege.

Your persecution complex is actually kind of funny in a Brexit sort of way.

[zeitghost]

Titter ye not...

Woe, Woe And Thrice Woe, the End is Nigh!.


I'm totally non discriminatory.

I fecking hate everyone.

<ZG in "going postal" mode>

[SueEllen]

I personally take great delight in the way such liberals tie themselves up in knots over their attempts to be tolerant. Like the idiots who published a kids' road safety book showing a girl wearing an Islamic headscarf - only to be accused by some Muslim women of sexualising children. Transport for London pulls child safety campaign with girl in hijab | Metro News

I bet being Transport for London a few people politely pointed before and after it was published young Muslim girls don't wear head scarves but were ignored or shouted down. Hence the more sensational stance to get them to withdraw it.

The Guardian didn't like it when I pointed out illustrating a story about head scarves with a face veil was OTT. I know they got a few complaints as some where in the comments section so didn't dare use the wrong image again.

[SueEllen]

Ok it seems to work like this.

Islam is always right.

Gay is always right unless Islam says it isn't.

Woman is always right unless Islam or gay says it's not.

If you are a straight white make you are always wrong, even if you are right you are wrong because you are abusing white privilege.

Only in Corbyn's world.

You don't have to look to far on the Left for women, gay and poor people pointing this out.

[original PM]

Ok it seems to work like this.

Islam is always right.

Gay is always right unless Islam says it isn't.

Woman is always right unless Islam or gay says it's not.

If you are a straight white make you are always wrong, even if you are right you are wrong because you are abusing white privilege.

[NotAllThere]

The mods are gods.

At last you see reason. But you call me "sir".

welcome to the Pratchett reading Guild !

Hat. Hat. Hat.

I think it's fairly safe to say that none of the mods are liberals, and certainly not those types who turn a blind eye to the misogyny, racism and homophobia of certain parts of the Muslim community.

It is a favourite argument of the racist, misogynistic and/or homophobic right, that anyone who calls them out is a liberal of the aforementioned type. Or an unreconstructed leftie like Corbyn.

I personally take great delight in the way such liberals tie themselves up in knots over their attempts to be tolerant. Like the idiots who published a kids' road safety book showing a girl wearing an Islamic headscarf - only to be accused by some Muslim women of sexualising children. Transport for London pulls child safety campaign with girl in hijab | Metro News

[woohoo]

I used to work in an office with four permie colleagues, all of whom were religious and from ethnic minorities. We had a good banter going on and I never once got stabbed or anything for pulling one of them up on homophobia. They were three Christians and a Muslim as it happens. You shouldn't live your life in fear of an occasional nut job.

Thanks for the Popper link. Will take a look.

It's not really the occasional nut job though is it. There are communities in this country if you went there and said something against their religion you would have trouble getting out of there.

I worked over in Belfast a few years back and same thing, say something out of turn to do with religion and you could be in serious trouble.

[northernladyuk]

Good for you, I must admit your a braver person than me, I'd be too tulip scared to draw a cartoon of the prophet let alone stand up to their sexism, homophobia, bigotry and racism.

For example look at this:

Asad Shah death: Man admits killing shopkeeper because he 'disrespected' Islam - BBC News

All the guy did was wish Christians a Happy Easter and some nut job was straight up the motorway to kill him for "disrespecting" Islam.

That is the level of bat tulip crazy we are talking about, like I said bravo to you for calling that tulip out.

On a related note i think Karl Popper had this nailed back in 1945, "The Paradox of Tolerance". I think it sums up the danger of current left wing liberal dogma quite nicely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

 In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.

But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

I used to work in an office with four permie colleagues, all of whom were religious and from ethnic minorities. We had a good banter going on and I never once got stabbed or anything for pulling one of them up on homophobia. They were three Christians and a Muslim as it happens. You shouldn't live your life in fear of an occasional nut job.

Thanks for the Popper link. Will take a look.

[excon]

I am liberal and I won't tolerate bigots, racists and sexists whether or not they are Muslim because I am not tulip scared of them.

Does that clarify things?

I do sometimes think European far right wing nuts would be happier in a misogynistic and homophobic dictatorship like Saudi.

Good for you, I must admit your a braver person than me, I'd be too tulip scared to draw a cartoon of the prophet let alone stand up to their sexism, homophobia, bigotry and racism.

For example look at this:

Asad Shah death: Man admits killing shopkeeper because he 'disrespected' Islam - BBC News

All the guy did was wish Christians a Happy Easter and some nut job was straight up the motorway to kill him for "disrespecting" Islam.

That is the level of bat tulip crazy we are talking about, like I said bravo to you for calling that tulip out.

On a related note i think Karl Popper had this nailed back in 1945, "The Paradox of Tolerance". I think it sums up the danger of current left wing liberal dogma quite nicely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

 In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.

But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

[Mordac]

Well if you can only find humour in the 1970's you might be waiting a while...

Titter ye not...