Reply to: Charlie Gard

[BrilloPad]

Worth reading this - 10 Cases Like Charie Gard's heard in English Courts This Year

I stopped when I read that cafcass were representing the children.

An organisation set up to abuse children in private.

[SueEllen]

So people(or countries) that take loans they can never afford to pay are blameless?

Maybe people below a certain IQ should not be allowed a say in matters like this.

Worth reading this - 10 Cases Like Charie Gard's heard in English Courts This Year

[northernladyuk]

So people(or countries) that take loans they can never afford to pay are blameless?

Maybe people below a certain IQ should not be allowed a say in matters like this.

Off you go then.

[BrilloPad]

However, if anyone is 'responsible' for the prolonged suffering of the child, it is the purveyors of snake-oil that, without having examined him or even looked at the scans, wanted to use him as a human experiment.

So people(or countries) that take loans they can never afford to pay are blameless?

Maybe people below a certain IQ should not be allowed a say in matters like this.

[northernladyuk]

So a child who died within minutes of life support being turned off was never in pain? My advice would be to go and read the full story before commenting..

Do you know much about end of life management for children with life limiting conditions?

[mudskipper]

So a child who died within minutes of life support being turned off was never in pain? My advice would be to go and read the full story before commenting..

Desperate parents were persuaded that their child could be helped. Those parents understandably latched on to that hope and did what they believed was best for their baby. To suggest, within a few hours of his death, that they 'forced him to suffer' would appear to show a lack of both sympathy and empathy.

Remember it was the hospital who applied for the latest hearing "in light of claims of new evidence".

There are no winners in this tragic story. However, if anyone is 'responsible' for the prolonged suffering of the child, it is the purveyors of snake-oil that, without having examined him or even looked at the scans, wanted to use him as a human experiment.

[eek]

A tad judgemental

So a child who died within minutes of life support being turned off was never in pain? My advice would be to go and read the full story before commenting..

[mudskipper]

Only to the extent the suffering that child has been forced to suffer (by his parents) has finished..

A tad judgemental

[northernladyuk]

Only to the extent the suffering that child has been forced to suffer (by his parents) has finished..

Steady on. Was he suffering? Maybe a bit of decorum would be nice.

[eek]

Charlie Gard parents announce death of 'beautiful boy' - BBC News

Will this see another princess diana outpouring of grief?

Only to the extent the suffering that child has been forced to suffer (by his parents) has finished..

[BrilloPad]

Charlie Gard parents announce death of 'beautiful boy' - BBC News

Will this see another princess diana outpouring of grief?

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

Unfortunately many people have already made their mind up about GOSH and aren't interested in listening to facts from the horses mouth. They think GOSH and the government are evil child killers and that they are more qualified to diagnose the poor child's prognosis than qualified Doctors, because it's 2017 and we are living in a "post-expert" age.

[FrontEnder]

There is no evidence base that this is the case.

And to add to that, all this "legal dithering" was started long after there was any hope for the poor lad.

I encourage everyone to read the full statement from great ormond street :

Latest statement on GOSH patient Charlie Gard | Great Ormond Street Hospital

They did look at the possibility of treating him, but then he had a series of seizures around December that meant his condition and brain function seriously deteriorated. It's at that point they decided that he was beyond help.

Legal procedings were necessary because his parents refused to accept GOSH hospitals prognosis. Which is fair enough, but they were strung along by a doctor in the states who hadn't examined Charlie or even bothered to look at the scans and evidence that GOSH sent him. They were given false hope by him and therefore reason to question GOSH. All this could have been avoided if that doctor had looked at things properly form the start.

[SueEllen]

Well the treatment may have worked early on, but it's too late now with all this legal dithering.

The state sometimes needs to protect people from themselves and also protect children from the wishes of their parents if there is a risk of harm.

In this case there was never any proof that the treatment would have a chance of working as it hadn't been trialled on any other animal let alone human.

While everyone hears of clinical trials and experimental treatments on people with serious conditions and may actually know some people personally where it has worked, if you investigate further you find that the drugs/treatment is either similar to another one that has been used or the drugs have been tested in labs on animals models.

[northernladyuk]

Well the treatment may have worked early on, but it's too late now with all this legal dithering.

There is no evidence base that this is the case.