Reply to: Trump to say Western civilisation is at stake in Warsaw speech

[stek]

Years ago people aligned to a Monarch. That later changed (The Peace of Westphalia) and folks started to align themselves to a land, State or country and the concept of nationhood and citizenship grew out of that.

Change begats change, the world has moved away from that, even the poorest people can see what the rest of the world is like and get there fairly easily. Distance, culture and most of all so-called control of borders aint gonna stop anyone.

People relocate and move all over the world, work permits abound, black labour abounds so what is the lesson here? What does it teach us?

To me it shows Monarchistic demarkation changed to geographic and now it's changing to economic. And there's eff all you can do about it unless you want to live in North Korea 2.0.

Face it, no one has a real right to claim top trumps for a piece of soil as their birthright just because they were born on it. It's ludicrous.

[scooterscot]

If only you were brought up in the cosy south east of England then you'd have avoided this self-loathing.

Thankfully I've been spared the horror. The accent is hum dinging.

[BrilloPad]

Apparently he was talking about 1939.....

[BlasterBates]

So who is Trump referring to, because Poland has net emigration, does he mean that other countries need to defend themselves from Polish mass emigration? Wasn't that what Brexit was all about, defending civilisation against mass influx of Poles.

[darmstadt]

I think he's a point:

"Holding up Poland as an example of a country ready to defend civilisation, he will warn against the threats of "terrorism and extremism".

Poland's conservative government shares Mr Trump's hostile view of immigration and strong sense of sovereignty."

Trump to say Western civilisation is at stake in Warsaw speech - BBC News

Yep, Polish people: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...refugee-policy

Actually he's English now

[xoggoth]

The usual suspect spouting that daft "Britain is a nation of immigrants" crap again! Every major wave of migration to the UK has brought tensions and problems we never needed to have. Look what's kicked off most of the major riots in the last 35 years, where most serious terrorism in England and Wales has come from since 2003.

[darmstadt]

Just look at his face:

[The_Equalizer]

Can hardly be bothered if it were not so laughable. The UK is built on immigration. It is a nation of immigrants. The idea of defending our inherent culture be stemming immigration that was originally brought to us through immigration is the antithesis of intelligence.

If only you were brought up in the cosy south east of England then you'd have avoided this self-loathing.

[scooterscot]

Perhaps we can ask the 600K people that turn up every year. That said, I do wonder if they are disappointed in the end?

I certainly woz a few weeks back.

[The_Equalizer]

1939, or perhaps any other time when nationalism led to a catastrophe.

And what exactly does Britain stand for anyway?

Perhaps we can ask the 600K people that turn up every year. That said, I do wonder if they are disappointed in the end?

[scooterscot]

And what exactly does Britain stand for anyway?

Can hardly be bothered if it were not so laughable. The UK is built on immigration. It is a nation of immigrants. The idea of defending our inherent culture be stemming immigration that was originally brought to us through immigration is the antithesis of intelligence.

[VectraMan]

When did it become wrong to be proud of the nation you were born in and what it stands for?

1939, or perhaps any other time when nationalism led to a catastrophe.

And what exactly does Britain stand for anyway?

[original PM]

You mean like India when the Brits claimed it as their own?

Ask the Iraqis. They din't even get a chance to answer the door.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_India - is very interesting in terms of what did happen in India.

But then that was 300 ish years ago.

but again you did not answer the question nearly tried to point out that because someone, somewhere in some other time did it then it must be wrong - or right depending on the point of view.

[The_Equalizer]

You mean like India when the Brits claimed it as their own?

Ask the Iraqis. They din't even get a chance to answer the door.

You'll need to ask all those ex-New Labour voters on here about the latter. The former is academic.

[scooterscot]

Bit of an open question.

But why is it wrong for a country to protect it's tradition by not letting in loads of people who do not give a fook about it's tradition?

You mean like India when the Brits claimed it as their own?

Ask the Iraqis. They din't even get a chance to answer the door.