Reply to: Drove past Greenfell tower this morning

[northernladyuk]

You're wilfully (or stupidly) reading too much into what I said, which was that I had heard one or two rumours and didn't know if they were true. Quite probably, as NF said, the rumours are bollocks, and I don't dispute that.

But the main point I meant to make was that _if_ there was some discreditable (e.g. crazy cooking technique) or criminal (e.g. growing or brewing drugs) reason for the fire then we wouldn't be told. Anyone who disputes that is the gullible cretin, not me!

The risk of a fire starting always exists. The problem here is the manner in which it spread up the outside of the building, you chunt.

[BrilloPad]

Oh we would find out.

Remember we can get English news from outside the UK thanks to the internet, and some of those media outlets have nothing to do with the British Establishment.

Indeed. Wikileaks showed just how boring most government stuff is. Instead of stories about how we are run by GALS we heard that Hilary Clinton did not like the Iraqi ambassador or some such.

[SueEllen]

You're wilfully (or stupidly) reading too much into what I said, which was that I had heard one or two rumours and didn't know if they were true. Quite probably, as NF said, the rumours are bollocks, and I don't dispute that.

But the main point I meant to make was that _if_ there was some discreditable (e.g. crazy cooking technique) or criminal (e.g. growing or brewing drugs) reason for the fire then we wouldn't be told. Anyone who disputes that is the gullible cretin, not me!

Oh we would find out.

Remember we can get English news from outside the UK thanks to the internet, and some of those media outlets have nothing to do with the British Establishment.

[OwlHoot]

Owlhoot has posted things like this recently, but refuses to provide any sources or evidence. ...

You're wilfully (or stupidly) reading too much into what I said, which was that I had heard one or two rumours and didn't know if they were true. Quite probably, as NF said, the rumours are bollocks, and I don't dispute that.

But the main point I meant to make was that _if_ there was some discreditable (e.g. crazy cooking technique) or criminal (e.g. growing or brewing drugs) reason for the fire then we wouldn't be told. Anyone who disputes that is the gullible cretin, not me!

[WTFH]

Are you actually asking that CUK posts should be backed up by sources or evidence?

If that is the case, could mod decisions be backed up by evidence?

Haha.
Perhaps if mods were implying/stating that people died due to them doing something illegal, and that the local council is not responsible, then yes, I'd expect evidence to be supplied.

[BrilloPad]

posted things like this recently, but refuses to provide any sources or evidence.

Are you actually asking that CUK posts should be backed up by sources or evidence?

If that is the case, could mod decisions be backed up by evidence?

[AtW]

It's not a rumour.

It's not, he said rumours...

[NickFitz]

Being in London for a conference tomorrow, I took the H&C past there earlier on. I didn't know how close the block is to the track, which is elevated at that point. Very shocking to see such devastation so close

[sasguru]

I've heard rumours that you are a ******* idiot.

It's not a rumour.

[northernladyuk]

I've heard rumours that you are a ******* idiot.

Owlhoot has posted things like this recently, but refuses to provide any sources or evidence. As such we have to accept that he is a liar, or is being fed lies by his controllers (EDL/BNP/DM/UKIP) and is too stupid to question the lies as they would then rock the fundamentals of his faith. Much easier to say that it's rumoured to be a drug den than to accept anything that would mean that innocent people died in a fire.

KUATB

[WTFH]

Owlhoot has posted things like this recently, but refuses to provide any sources or evidence. As such we have to accept that he is a liar, or is being fed lies by his controllers (EDL/BNP/DM/UKIP) and is too stupid to question the lies as they would then rock the fundamentals of his faith. Much easier to say that it's rumoured to be a drug den than to accept anything that would mean that innocent people died in a fire.

[northernladyuk]

I've heard rumours that the flat where the fire started was being used to grow cannabis, and a grow light overheated.

But even if that is true, we'll almost certainly never be told. Much easier to blame Hotpoint for a mysterious incendiary fridge.

Also, apparently the guy who lived in the flat has gone AWOL (with or without the Government's connivance).

I've heard rumours that you are a ******* idiot.

[chopper]

I had suspected a meth lab rather than a cannabis farm...

I work in an office building attached to Manchester Arena, whose main entrance was in the foyer area which was bombed. We've been back in the building three weeks ago, but half of the glass fronted entrance into the foyer is boarded up (glass broken by the shrapnel), the unsmashed panes have had opaque film placed over them. My desk pretty much overlooks that area. Builders have been in the foyer, mainly securing the area (I am unable to see into it, but based on a journalist who gained access to the foyer yesterday as part of Prince Charles' visit, the flooring still bears the scars of the explosion, and apparently concrete and metalwork has holes in it from the shrapnel. We were told cameras were not allowed into the foyer as it is still being treated as a crime scene) but they have been quite noisy. The main entrance to the foyer from Victoria Station has been concealed behind scaffolding.

Seeing that, every day, is an incredibly sobering experience indeed.

[NickFitz]

I've heard rumours that the flat where the fire started was being used to grow cannabis, and a grow light overheated.

But even if that is true, we'll almost certainly never be told. Much easier to blame Hotpoint for a mysterious incendiary fridge.

Also, apparently the guy who lived in the flat has gone AWOL (with or without the Government's connivance).

Sounds like utter bollocks to me. If you're doing a large-scale grow you don't do it in a tower block where it's hard to bypass the meter, or get gear and crops in and out, without being caught. And a small grow for personal use doesn't make much sense - in an area like that, it'd be cheaper and easier to buy from the big boys. I wouldn't imagine you'd have to walk far to find a bit of green round there

A cheap secondhand fridge, probably not well looked after, going up, though - that sounds a lot more likely.

[SueEllen]

Government KNEW cladding could catch fire a year ago | Daily Mail Online

Government reassured by quango that flammable cladding was safe last April
Paid adviser BRE Global said 'no evidence' safety checks on towers 'were failing'
It's now being paid to confirm if cladding is dangerous and has failed all 95 so far
Out of date building regulations are being blamed for allowing cladding through
US firm halts sales of Grenfell-type panels sending its share price plummeting
'Convoluted' fire regulations were last looked at in 2005 and are a 'total mess'

Of course, being the Wail, this could well be nonsense....

One of the prominent people at the paper cleaner, gardener or painter and decorator etc is missing