Reply to: Theresa May to declare State of Emergency

[GJABS]

How about Tony Blair?

What he got up to was not unlawful*, or intended by him to be unlawful.


* There are those who think he did act outside the law, and they are campaigning for criminal charges against him.

[northernladyuk]

https://www.askthe.police.uk/Content/Q508.htm

Thank you. I must have been reading a very old book...

[BlasterBates]

If the Conservatives win a landslide then I think it would be entirely appropriate to declare a state of emergency.

[grabri]

Citizen's arrest in the UK can only be made if an actual crime has taken place. Reasonable suspicion is not sufficient.

https://www.askthe.police.uk/Content/Q508.htm

You can make an arrest if the suspect is actually committing the offence or if you reasonably suspect them of committing it, or when the offence has been committed and you reasonably suspect them of having committed it.

[northernladyuk]

terrorist

noun
1.
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
synonyms: bomber, arsonist, incendiary; More
adjective
1.
unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"a terrorist organization"


Now can you elaborate on just what the "political aims" of Hamilton and Ryan were as you seem hell-bent on categorising them as "terrorists"?

How about Tony Blair?

[shaunbhoy]

Which scenario is more likely to produce positive results:

Scenario A: The concern citizen meets the plod on their way to the store and spares one minute to point out to him some suspicions packaging couple of 100's yards down the road, then the plod checks them out as his route already passes nearby.

Scenario B: The concern citizen calls 999 spends several minutes describing the issue and identifying himself. The call is logged as low priority, several days later someone eventually gets to the spot only to see nothing as the packaging is already at the landfill.

Scenario C: The concern citizen calls 999 spends several minutes describing the issue and identifying himself, only to be told off for wasting emergency number resources with rubbish calls.

The problem is it wasn't just police numbers being cut but the budget as a whole, I would understand cutting the numbers of beat officers to focus the funds towards cyber crime, surveillance and other modern methods of policing, but that's not what happend is it.

What is the point in spending billions on Aircraft carriers to be used for what? While cutting the funding that can help where it actually counts - the war on our streets, knife attacks, moped gangs and terrorists that have actual impact on the population.

Or how about scenario D : The concerned citizen calls 999 and says that they live in an area with a high concentration of Muslims and they have identified some suspicious packaging that appears to have contained items that could be utilised in the making of IEDs.

In the current climate, how do you imagine the Police might react?

[northernladyuk]

“Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities,
Can Make You Commit Atrocities” Voltaire

The greatest enemy to humankind has and will always be the politician and the cleric.

That's two enemies.

[shaunbhoy]

Your statement was merely that "no terror attacks have been performed by middle class white people in the UK in living memory?" which I have shown to be false

terrorist

noun
1.
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
synonyms: bomber, arsonist, incendiary; More
adjective
1.
unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"a terrorist organization"


Now can you elaborate on just what the "political aims" of Hamilton and Ryan were as you seem hell-bent on categorising them as "terrorists"?

[scooterscot]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...an-rights-laws

Yikes!

“Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities,
Can Make You Commit Atrocities” Voltaire

The greatest enemies to humankind has and will always be the politician and the cleric.

[northernladyuk]

You are watching too much American TV, not that simple in the UK:

Citizen's arrest in the UK can only be made if an actual crime has taken place. Reasonable suspicion is not sufficient.

[sal]

But I said 'and by that I do not mean call a terrorist hotline I mean make a citizens arrest and ensure they are passed to police custody.'

You are watching too much American TV, not that simple in the UK:

[sal]

But with both the Manchester attack, and the London attack, the Muslim community did call out the attackers and the authorities did naff all about them. Seems the issue with both these attacks wasn't lack of police on the beat, but a lack of desire to follow up on warnings from the general public.

We always seem to have enough police to man mobile speed traps though. Maybe the police forces should stop playing politics and put the resources into stopping terrorism rather than catching speeding motorists!

While i hold no sympathy for the mobile speed traps, far more people are killed and injured in traffic accidents (often caused by high speed) than from terror attacks.

In reported road traffic accidents for the year ending March 2016:

there were 1,780 road deaths, unchanged from the year ending March 2015
24,610 people were killed or seriously injured

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...-to-march-2016

So I wouldn't say the Police doesn't have their priorities straight.

[original PM]

But with both the Manchester attack, and the London attack, the Muslim community did call out the attackers and the authorities did naff all about them. Seems the issue with both these attacks wasn't lack of police on the beat, but a lack of desire to follow up on warnings from the general public.

We always seem to have enough police to man mobile speed traps though. Maybe the police forces should stop playing politics and put the resources into stopping terrorism rather than catching speeding motorists!

But I said 'and by that I do not mean call a terrorist hotline I mean make a citizens arrest and ensure they are passed to police custody.'

[sal]

Well according to YOU it would have been a high enough priority to alert your local Bobby to it had he been passing.

Make your mind up.

Which scenario is more likely to produce positive results:

Scenario A: The concern citizen meets the plod on their way to the store and spares one minute to point out to him some suspicions packaging couple of 100's yards down the road, then the plod checks them out as his route already passes nearby.

Scenario B: The concern citizen calls 999 spends several minutes describing the issue and identifying himself. The call is logged as low priority, several days later someone eventually gets to the spot only to see nothing as the packaging is already at the landfill.

Scenario C: The concern citizen calls 999 spends several minutes describing the issue and identifying himself, only to be told off for wasting emergency number resources with rubbish calls.

The problem is it wasn't just police numbers being cut but the budget as a whole, I would understand cutting the numbers of beat officers to focus the funds towards cyber crime, surveillance and other modern methods of policing, but that's not what happend is it.

What is the point in spending billions on Aircraft carriers to be used for what? While cutting the funding that can help where it actually counts - the war on our streets, knife attacks, moped gangs and terrorists that have actual impact on the population.

[darmstadt]

How do you create a police state when you cut the number of police?

DDR