Reply to: Fail Britannia

[scooterscot]

Not all others, thankfully (hopefully). I am very confident that harking back to those terrible times isn't what those who voted for Brexit voted for.

To dig up the atrocities of our forebears as a reason why it was a bad idea to leave Europe is a bit of tulipty perspective. The article was probably penned by Tony Bliar and fed to someone willing to take a handout.

For the sake of balance:

'It’s bloody good, it’s brilliant': 1066 country bids adieu to the EU

From 2 days ago. "Now, 950 years on, Hastings is finally saying adieu to what the majority of the town feels was another European invasion."

You don't have to look far to see whose bringing up the past. On no single day can you go through the press without a mention of the war. We're obsessed by it.

The Great Repeal Bill seems like a simple way to start with a very complex job. Pull the whole lot of existing EU law into UK law and then work from there to remove excessive red tape, remove the working rights of the proletariat, remove stupid EU law and unwind ourselves from the mess that we are in.

After 40+ years of membership we'll study EU laws in detail the day we leave. Exactly what we should have been doing as a member. I'm sure the status quo can't wait to strip away laws that protect our privacy, or workers rights.. but that's another story.

The repeal bill seems like a waste of time and money. Every project you've entered into to take over someone else's work, it's completely inefficient. Am I alone in being told by a client 'We want your model to do the same thing as our legacy model' - I'm like WTF? Why am I here of you don't what the change that was discussed at the interview?! Best just starting a fresh.

[VectraMan]

In that case the young people ought to follow the example of their parents and grandparents and sabotage the hopes and dreams of future generations for their own self interest.

FTFY.

[shaunbhoy]

They were paying for their current generation, and now there is a need for young people to pay for them.

In that case the young people ought to follow the example of their parents and grandparents and stop whining about it.

[The_Equalizer]

We're breeding a generations of racially impure youth as a fifth column against the brave new state you have planned.

So long as we've got 'em until they're seven they can be trained.

[northernladyuk]

Not in the maternity wards it's not.

We're breeding a generations of racially impure youth as a fifth column against the brave new state you have planned.

[NigelJK]

While they think it's young mostly healthy foreigners clogging up the NHS it's actually them

Not in the maternity wards it's not.

[AtW]

Well they might argue that they have been paying for it all of their lives.

They were paying for their current generation, and now there is a need for young people to pay for them.

[The_Equalizer]

Oh well the old dears are going to suffer when there are fewer doctors, nurses, carers etc and they have to wait longer for their "elective" operations.

While they think it's young mostly healthy foreigners clogging up the NHS it's actually them.

Then again, you would think they'd get something for a lifetime's worth of stamp.

[shaunbhoy]

But they're more likely to complain about decimalisation.

Nonsense. They have forgotten about that.

[northernladyuk]

Well they might argue that they have been paying for it all of their lives.

But they're more likely to complain about decimalisation.

[shaunbhoy]

It doesn't work like that.

Well it should.

[jamesbrown]

I don't think we can control either. So it's really a choice between the values of the EU and the values of the UK ruling class, with the uncertain economic impact of leaving the EU added into the mix. Everyone can take their pick, but pretending it is anything else is ridiculous.

Who's pretending it's anything else? I'll choose the values of the UK ruling class, thanks. When they develop stupid ideas like hiking NI on self-employed workers, putting worker representatives on company boards, or changing tax credits, I'll put my faith in the idiocy of UK public opinion, and their idiotic representatives in the UK Parliament, to challenge the idiocy of HMG. Removing a layer of idiocy is invariably a good thing. We're perfectly capable of developing our own idiocracy.

[SueEllen]

Well they might argue that they have been paying for it all of their lives.

It doesn't work like that.

[northernladyuk]

If you think the electorates of the EU member states have an honest opportunity to control anything related to the EU institutions, then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. If we can't control our own politicians, how do we hope to exert control via the European Parliament and other institutions? D'Hondt PR to the rescue!

I don't think we can control either. So it's really a choice between the values of the EU and the values of the UK ruling class, with the uncertain economic impact of leaving the EU added into the mix. Everyone can take their pick, but pretending it is anything else is ridiculous.

[shaunbhoy]

Oh well the old dears are going to suffer when there are fewer doctors, nurses, carers etc and they have to wait longer for their "elective" operations.

While they think it's young mostly healthy foreigners clogging up the NHS it's actually them.

Well they might argue that they have been paying for it all of their lives.