Fail Britannia

[shaunbhoy]

Sometimes its good to step out of our parochial British bubble and see ourselves how others see us.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ad9fd0b8a02f

The Washington Post?? Oh well.....makes a change from the Grauniad, but is almost as sickeningly leftie.

[northernladyuk]

Alexander Boris Pffefel Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and his nanny are in the ascendant.
It's a grassroots, working class revolution.

Keep up!

[SueEllen]

They probably rocked up at the polling station with their own pen, I imagine.

However, most importantly they voted. The youths, the 18-24 brigade, decided staying at home and moaning about the result later in true snowflake style was the better democratic mechanism. At least moaning can be done from the comfort of their home whilst glued to Twitter/Facebook/whatever.

I believe turnout of 18-24 year olds was 64%, with turnout of over 65s being 90%.

Oh well the old dears are going to suffer when there are fewer doctors, nurses, carers etc and they have to wait longer for their "elective" operations.

While they think it's young mostly healthy foreigners clogging up the NHS it's actually them.

[jamesbrown]

Corruption was not the criticism. The UK political system is fixed in favour of the ruling class, who control the mainstream media etc. etc.

If you think the British electorate has an honest opportunity to control matters such as employment rights, then you're living in cloud cuckoo land

If you think the electorates of the EU member states have an honest opportunity to control anything related to the EU institutions, then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. If we can't control our own politicians, how do we hope to exert control via the European Parliament and other institutions? D'Hondt PR to the rescue!

[shaunbhoy]

Oh well the old dears are going to suffer when there are fewer doctors, nurses, carers etc and they have to wait longer for their "elective" operations.

While they think it's young mostly healthy foreigners clogging up the NHS it's actually them.

Well they might argue that they have been paying for it all of their lives.

[northernladyuk]

If you think the electorates of the EU member states have an honest opportunity to control anything related to the EU institutions, then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. If we can't control our own politicians, how do we hope to exert control via the European Parliament and other institutions? D'Hondt PR to the rescue!

I don't think we can control either. So it's really a choice between the values of the EU and the values of the UK ruling class, with the uncertain economic impact of leaving the EU added into the mix. Everyone can take their pick, but pretending it is anything else is ridiculous.

[SueEllen]

Well they might argue that they have been paying for it all of their lives.

It doesn't work like that.

[jamesbrown]

I don't think we can control either. So it's really a choice between the values of the EU and the values of the UK ruling class, with the uncertain economic impact of leaving the EU added into the mix. Everyone can take their pick, but pretending it is anything else is ridiculous.

Who's pretending it's anything else? I'll choose the values of the UK ruling class, thanks. When they develop stupid ideas like hiking NI on self-employed workers, putting worker representatives on company boards, or changing tax credits, I'll put my faith in the idiocy of UK public opinion, and their idiotic representatives in the UK Parliament, to challenge the idiocy of HMG. Removing a layer of idiocy is invariably a good thing. We're perfectly capable of developing our own idiocracy.

[shaunbhoy]

It doesn't work like that.

Well it should.

[northernladyuk]

Well they might argue that they have been paying for it all of their lives.

But they're more likely to complain about decimalisation.