Reply to: Rapist transferred to women's prison

[barrydidit]

If he hadn't volunteered, you'd probably get more people agreeing with you.

It's all about outcomes isn't it? He won't be doing it again....

[LondonManc]

This rapist chap having his cock lopped off? Seems like a good use of public cash to me

If he hadn't volunteered, you'd probably get more people agreeing with you.

[SueEllen]

That's transvestites. Quite different from transexuals. Transvestism is, apparently, all about abandoning gender labels and expectations. Transsexualism seems part of a whole raft of fixation on sexual identity.

The whole female equality stuff was in many ways about abolishing the differences between men and women socially and professionally. Then with transsexualism, the focus is suddenly on treating people differently because of their gender (self-identified or otherwise) "I want to be treated as a man", "I want to be treated as a woman". There appears to be a lack of coherence.

If rape/murder is such a big problem in prisons, then perhaps that should be addressed - to the point where mixed gender prisons are possible?

There is no lack of coherence as there are different feminist beliefs under the umbrella of feminism.

The same way both Philip Hammond and Nick Clegg both believe in liberal democracy but have different beliefs about it so represent different parties in parliament.

[PhiltheGreek]

This rapist chap having his cock lopped off? Seems like a good use of public cash to me

[northernladyuk]

That's transvestites. Quite different from transexuals. Transvestism is, apparently, all about abandoning gender labels and expectations. Transsexualism seems part of a whole raft of fixation on sexual identity.

The whole female equality stuff was in many ways about abolishing the differences between men and women socially and professionally. Then with transsexualism, the focus is suddenly on treating people differently because of their gender (self-identified or otherwise) "I want to be treated as a man", "I want to be treated as a woman". There appears to be a lack of coherence.

That is because you are too stupid to understand the difference between treating people equally and treating them the same. HTH

[NotAllThere]

He sometimes gets a funny feeling in his tummy when his mum accidentally leaves her underwear in his pants drawer. Does that count?

That's transvestites. Quite different from transexuals. Transvestism is, apparently, all about abandoning gender labels and expectations. Transsexualism seems part of a whole raft of fixation on sexual identity.

The whole female equality stuff was in many ways about abolishing the differences between men and women socially and professionally. Then with transsexualism, the focus is suddenly on treating people differently because of their gender (self-identified or otherwise) "I want to be treated as a man", "I want to be treated as a woman". There appears to be a lack of coherence.

If rape/murder is such a big problem in prisons, then perhaps that should be addressed - to the point where mixed gender prisons are possible?

[northernladyuk]

Gender Identity is only one aspect of gender, they're not equivalent. Neither is gender identity a casual "today I feel quite girly" thing. Can you change whether you're gay or straight from day to day?

He sometimes gets a funny feeling in his tummy when his mum accidentally leaves her underwear in his pants drawer. Does that count?

[d000hg]

Not that bothered but if one day i can put on a form that I identify my gender as an apache attack helicopter and the following day I can identify as a piece of fudge then quite frankly it is clearly irrelevant.

They ask for your religion on the census and you can change how you feel about that regardless of what other people identify you as.

[northernladyuk]

Not that bothered but if one day i can put on a form that I identify my gender as an apache attack helicopter and the following day I can identify as a piece of fudge then quite frankly it is clearly irrelevant.

Like you.

However, in the real world that exists outside of Breitbart fantasies, the process is rather different from what you describe.

http://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recog...icate/overview

1. Overview
Apply to the Gender Recognition Panel for a Gender Recognition Certificate if you want your acquired gender to be legally recognised in the UK.

There are 3 different ways (‘routes’) to get a certificate - which one you use depends on your situation.

Read the full guidance before you apply.

Standard route
Apply by the standard route if all the following are true:

you’re 18 or over
you’ve been diagnosed with gender dysphoria (discomfort with your birth gender) - this is also called gender identity disorder or transsexualism
you’ve lived in your acquired gender for at least 2 years
you intend to live in your acquired gender for the rest of your life
You must apply by the standard route if you live in Northern Ireland.

Alternative route
Apply by the alternative route if all the following are true:

you’re 18 or over
you’ve been diagnosed with gender dysphoria or had surgery to change your sexual characteristics
you live in England, Wales or Scotland most of the time
you intend to live in your acquired gender for the rest of your life
you’re in (or have been in) a protected marriage or protected civil partnership
you’ve lived in your acquired gender for at least 6 years before 10 December 2014 (16 December 2014 for Scottish marriages and civil partnerships)
A marriage or civil partnership is protected if it’s one of the following:

registered under the law of England and Wales
a marriage solemnised in Scotland
a civil partnership registered in Scotland
a marriage registered under the law of a country or territory outside the UK
a marriage on UK consular premises or in an armed forces base, if you elected England, Wales or Scotland as the relevant part of the UK
Overseas route
Apply by the overseas route if your acquired gender has been legally accepted in an ‘approved country or territory’ and you have documents to prove it.

Help you can get
You can get information, advice and support from a number of voluntary organisations - you can find a list on page 21 of the full guidance.

You can also contact Citizens Advice or find a legal adviser.

[d000hg]

I would argue that seeing as I can change what gender I identify as on a daily basis then the whole concept of gender is no longer valid - it is just a label you want to put on yourself depending on how you feel when you wake up.

And therefore can have no place in law.

Gender Identity is only one aspect of gender, they're not equivalent. Neither is gender identity a casual "today I feel quite girly" thing. Can you change whether you're gay or straight from day to day?

Having your legally recognised gender changed requires a bit of effort so not something you'd do for a lark.

[original PM]

I'm sure you would. Start a petition to parliament.

Not that bothered but if one day i can put on a form that I identify my gender as an apache attack helicopter and the following day I can identify as a piece of fudge then quite frankly it is clearly irrelevant.

[LondonManc]

Or left to be abused in a men's prison.

Don't fear the reaper, fear dropping the soap.

[northernladyuk]

I would argue that seeing as I can change what gender I identify as on a daily basis then the whole concept of gender is no longer valid - it is just a label you want to put on yourself depending on how you feel when you wake up.

And therefore can have no place in law.

I'm sure you would. Start a petition to parliament.

[original PM]

Your sex cannot change, as it is defined largely by your chromosomes. Your gender can changed, and it is defined in part by law, and in part by medicine.

I would argue that seeing as I can change what gender I identify as on a daily basis then the whole concept of gender is no longer valid - it is just a label you want to put on yourself depending on how you feel when you wake up.

And therefore can have no place in law.

[northernladyuk]

Or you could live in the wrong country and get chucked off a building for it.

Or left to be abused in a men's prison.