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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostAnd the referendum was advisory, but that didn't stop lots of toys being thrown out of lots of prams, death threats, and judges being labelled "Enemies of the People" all for no reason other than suggesting the rules should be followed. Even the Government did everything they could to stop the rules being followed.
The word "mandate" is a moral one. Does TM have a mandate to continue the policies of David Cameron? Yes, probably, nobody would really argue against that. Is there a mandate for Brexit? Yes. Is there a mandate for TM to lead the country in a fundamentally different direction to what was promised in the GE and be the only one to decide what Brexit means and block any moves to let either the people or parliament decide anything? Not really.
But there you go. I didn't vote for it.
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostAs a native, you should have a more realistic viewpoint about the importance of the textbook. It's a rules-based system, and the PM is an appointed position, not an elected presidency. I recommend King (2008?) The British Constitution.
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostAs a native, you should have a more realistic viewpoint about the importance of the textbook. It's a rules-based system, and the PM is an appointed position, not an elected presidency. I recommend King (2008?) The British Constitution.
The word "mandate" is a moral one. Does TM have a mandate to continue the policies of David Cameron? Yes, probably, nobody would really argue against that. Is there a mandate for Brexit? Yes. Is there a mandate for TM to lead the country in a fundamentally different direction to what was promised in the GE and be the only one to decide what Brexit means and block any moves to let either the people or parliament decide anything? Not really.
But there you go. I didn't vote for it.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostAs a foreigner who has made the UK their home you should learn about UK politics.
May is elected.
Party leaders are chosen by party members including MPs to be the leader.
The party with the most MPs forms the government.
Hence May is as much elected as Camoron.
Also, the word "complicit" AtW used suggests some diabolical conspiracy. But the votes for this just increase the Government's democratic mandate to push ahead.
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostAs a native you should have a more realistic viewpoint than what the textbooks say.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostAs a foreigner who has made the UK their home you should learn about UK politics.
May is elected.
Party leaders are chosen by party members including MPs to be the leader.
The party with the most MPs forms the government.
Hence May is as much elected as Camoron.
Is May following the direction and manifesto Cameron left behind? Because that's what was voted for. Playing DA here to an extent because I don't think a new leader should trigger a GE. But it's not great when the party leader quits so early in a government's term... Cameron should've manned up and stayed on.
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Originally posted by AtW View PostIt's usually run by elected PM - May isn't elected and got no mandate for dictatorial decisions like that - all who voted like she said are complicit now
May is elected.
Party leaders are chosen by party members including MPs to be the leader.
The party with the most MPs forms the government.
Hence May is as much elected as Camoron.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostWell, usually the government is run by the party that have the majority, and those of that party not in the government want to be in, so they'll usually go along with it. 'Twas ever thus.
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Originally posted by VectraMan View Post...
That's what we mean by a "sovereign parliament". One that does whatever the government wants.
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I was watching some of the Commons debate yesterday. People making interesting points on both sides, but you sensed they knew full well that it was entirely redundant. All that impassioned debate and the reality is Theresa May would order her MPs to support the government's position and that would be that. Which is pretty much what happened.
That's what we mean by a "sovereign parliament". One that does whatever the government wants.
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostIt's every man for himself now, fook the poor.
Perhaps The posh boys Farage, Johnson and Rees Mogg can start a charity "Workhouses for the Brexit Poor".
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostWho is going to tell the poor they've been hornswoggled?
Perhaps The posh boys Farage, Pffelel Johnson and Rees Mogg can start a charity "Workhouses for the Brexit Poor".
Talking to parents at my sons prep school yesterday, I think the Beleavers underestimate the wrath of the Remainers, purely because the latter do not rant.
But there was a a definite desire for revenge and punishment.
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostWho is going to tell the poor they've been hornswoggled?
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