Reply to: Brexit bill passed into law, House of Lords to go.

[vetran]

The Enemies of the peopleLords confident of derailing Brexit timetable

Look forward to the Daily Mail "frothing at the mouth"

Demands
An immediate, unilateral guarantee that the rights of 3m EU citizens in the UK will be protected after Brexit.
A written guarantee that Parliament will be given a “meaningful” vote on any final deal that the Prime Minister secures
Regular updates to Parliament on the progress of the Article 50 talks – at least every three months.

Can anyone see any issues with that hampering the negotiation?

[NotAllThere]

Well quite. If Britain has to reapply...(various problems)

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.for...?client=safari

Tim Worstall - UKIP supporter. He would say that wouldn't he. Maybe he's right (I think he probably is), maybe he's wrong. What I find odd is that an IT contractor could have a problem with a simple IF statement.

The thrust of my argument was not that Britain won't automatically be in the WTO, rather that the assumption that all decisions must be based on over 50% majority to be "fair", is a bit silly - and flies in the face of the facts. But then PG and GB9 are used to a strong factual headwind.

[vetran]

It is not uncommon for referendums to have such a skewing, especially when the choice is between changing or not. For example, votes on independence in various places have required 2/3 majority. A 60/40 win either way would have put the nail in the losers' arguments, pretty much. EU referendum: 'Anything less than 60/40 for remain puts Brexit back on the agenda'

It's to ensure that there's no arguments like "if you conducted the referendum now, you'd get a different result".

However, Cameron probably didn't want to do a 60% because it would have looked as if he was worried he'd lose. Once again demonstrating how he put his own political position before the good of the country.

Democracy has many forms and "all votes being equal" is only one of them. You seem very politically naive. You really should do some studying

So its was an Alternative Referendum an "Alt-Result"?

[chopper]

If there is another referendum in Scotland and it's won by over 60%

Minor point : The SNP can't even muster 50% of support for independence. 60% is a wet dream.

[GB9]

Yes I remember well the no. 10 scaremongering of the resident voter in Scotland during the referendum.

If there is another referendum in Scotland and it's won by over 60%, I can tell you one thing... Scotland will be a much happier place to live in the years to come. Might even consider moving back. Ideally they'd be using the euro.

Except they were desperately wanting to stick to £ last time.

[scooterscot]

Merkel thrown you out yet?

Lots of people were terrified into voting Remain by all the scaremongering. As Project Fear recedes into the background so will the Remain cause.

Yes I remember well the no. 10 scaremongering of the resident voter in Scotland during the referendum.

If there is another referendum in Scotland and it's won by over 60%, I can tell you one thing... Scotland will be a much happier place to live in the years to come. Might even consider moving back. Ideally they'd be using the euro.

[scooterscot]

No. I disagree

Well then you need to get out more and tour the country. I've met many people on my return trips to the UK. It is clear as punch people are divided. A visit to a clients office in Bristol recently at lunch, as soon as the subject came up there was a deafening silence with one person leaving the table.

And I don't even live there! And you don't see it??! Dear me.

[GB9]

Well quite. If Britain has to reapply it will require not a majority, but unanimity. With Argentina being on the panel, that may take a while.

I suppose we could invade or something - just to point out how "unfair" and "undemocratic" it all is (in the GB9/PG land of make believe).

We could just impose massive tariffs on all those lovely goods we buy from them.

As for invading, a complete waste of time. Next time they invade the Falklands we should just drop a small nuclear bomb on Buenos Aires. Why blow up our own territory when we could do theirs.

[original PM]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.for...?client=safari

That is so true.

People do really love to put a label on something and then try to tell everyone that now thing has a label these rules must now be adhered too.

They never seem to understand that just because they have labeled something it does not mean anyone else will give a tulip.

[darmstadt]

Well quite. If Britain has to reapply it will require not a majority, but unanimity. With Argentina being on the panel, that may take a while.

I suppose we could invade or something - just to point out how "unfair" and "undemocratic" it all is (in the GB9/PG land of make believe).

Bastard, stuck in my head now:

They even won Eurovision and foresee the UK during the Brexit turmoil

[PurpleGorilla]

Well quite. If Britain has to reapply it will require not a majority, but unanimity. With Argentina being on the panel, that may take a while.

I suppose we could invade or something - just to point out how "unfair" and "undemocratic" it all is (in the GB9/PG land of make believe).

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.for...?client=safari

[NotAllThere]

Alas, we delegated our WTO schedules to the EU. Perhaps in hindsight, this shouldn't have been done in such a way as would make undelegation non-trivially revocable.

Well quite. If Britain has to reapply it will require not a majority, but unanimity. With Argentina being on the panel, that may take a while.

I suppose we could invade or something - just to point out how "unfair" and "undemocratic" it all is (in the GB9/PG land of make believe).

[chopper]

Let's hope that Britain's WTO membership isn't just through the EU.

https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e..._kingdom_e.htm

"The United Kingdom has been a WTO member since 1 January 1995 and a member of GATT since 1 January 1948. It is a member State of the European Union (more info). All EU member States are WTO members, as is the EU"

Alas, we delegated our WTO schedules to the EU. Perhaps in hindsight, this shouldn't have been done in such a way as would make undelegation non-trivially revocable.

[chopper]

Anyways in 1974 EC referendum, the SNP campaigned to LEAVE the European Community. And when they lost, they complained that England had dragged them into the EC.

The SNP's view on the UK's membership of the EU, or any policy for that matter, will always be whatever suits their anti-English, anti-Westminster, anti-UK agenda.

[Flashman]

Absolutely.

When it comes to referendum a clear majority should be in favour. Not 2 or 3%. Otherwise you'll have a divided nation until kingdom come. Scotland remains a very divided country even four years later. You think the remainers are just going to go away? The Brexiters will die off shortly leaving behind an even larger remain group.

Merkel thrown you out yet?

Lots of people were terrified into voting Remain by all the scaremongering. As Project Fear recedes into the background so will the Remain cause.

Anyways in 1974 EC referendum, the SNP campaigned to LEAVE the European Community. And when they lost, they complained that England had dragged them into the EC.

If the evil English ever decide to go back you Scots Nat's will undoubtedly change your minds again !