Reply to: PM for fullyautomatix - Looks Like Corbyn is in Trouble Comrade

[NigelJK]

The Labour party leadership is based on actual democracy

Like the 'based on' part. Whoever is in the Unions pocket gets the leadership.

[SueEllen]

Ultimately Corbyn missed a trick at Brexit time - while the Tories were jostling for position and backing remain or leave, both with varying levels of incredulity, Corbyn and his team could have simply put out a communication accurately explaining the definite and possible outcomes of leaving and remaining, while encouraging voters to politely accept the result, whatever it may be.

Come the revolution there is only one side and that's with Komrade Korbyn.

[LondonManc]

Ultimately Corbyn missed a trick at Brexit time - while the Tories were jostling for position and backing remain or leave, both with varying levels of incredulity, Corbyn and his team could have simply put out a communication accurately explaining the definite and possible outcomes of leaving and remaining, while encouraging voters to politely accept the result, whatever it may be.

[TestMangler]

So if Labour do obey the whip and vote Leave, do they risk a thumping the way the LibDems got post-coalition?

Is Theresa smart enough to have engineered this?

Question is, has he said he'll use a three line whip for the 3rd reading or just the first 2 ? An important distinction to be made that the morally outraged possibly don't understand.....

[SueEllen]

So if Labour do obey the whip and vote Leave, do they risk a thumping the way the LibDems got post-coalition?

Is Theresa smart enough to have engineered this?

1. The urban based ones in university towns "yes"
2. No but she is just lucky. Labour have pulled themselves apart.

[d000hg]

So if Labour do obey the whip and vote Leave, do they risk a thumping the way the LibDems got post-coalition?

Is Theresa smart enough to have engineered this?

[LondonManc]

All politicians regardless of party risk this if they don't respect the wishes of their constituents on Article 50. One has already been kicked out by voters.

I meant in general, even post A50

[SueEllen]

UKIP will make roads into both parties - the Tories go too centrist and the 'kippers will get the causal racist/patriotic voters while Labour seem to have no overall sense of identity at the moment so need to be careful. If there's an attractive alternative for Labour voters that isn't the Tories, they'll go for it.

As such, I'm not sure we're dealing in straightforward left-right politics any more.

All politicians regardless of party risk this if they don't respect the wishes of their constituents on Article 50. One has already been kicked out by voters.

[d000hg]

One A50 goes through and negotiations are under way, will UKIP really have much draw any more?

[LondonManc]

What the Tories have learnt, but Labour under Komrade Korbyn hasn't yet, is that the part grass roots have always more extreme political views than the parliamentary party. In the case of Labour this is left leaning and in the case of Tories more right leaning. Being extremely left of centre or extremely right of centre stops you wining elections.

UKIP will make roads into both parties - the Tories go too centrist and the 'kippers will get the causal racist/patriotic voters while Labour seem to have no overall sense of identity at the moment so need to be careful. If there's an attractive alternative for Labour voters that isn't the Tories, they'll go for it.

As such, I'm not sure we're dealing in straightforward left-right politics any more.

[SueEllen]

I think Mr Corbyn got considerably more than 2000 votes to get into power and then to retain it. The Labour party leadership is based on actual democracy which clearly upsets many Labour MPs, and makes other parties uneasy that they might be pressured to do the same

Instructing the party to back Brexit is the honourable thing to do.

What the Tories have learnt, but Labour under Komrade Korbyn hasn't yet, is that the part grass roots have always more extreme political views than the parliamentary party. In the case of Labour this is left leaning and in the case of Tories more right leaning. Being extremely left of centre or extremely right of centre stops you wining elections.

[LondonManc]

Corbyn appears, on the whole, to be a well-intentioned politician (not seen one for a while, so cannot be certain what they look like). His fundamental flaw is that he hasn't a clue how he intends to pay for it all.

[d000hg]

I think Mr Corbyn got considerably more than 2000 votes to get into power and then to retain it. The Labour party leadership is based on actual democracy which clearly upsets many Labour MPs, and makes other parties uneasy that they might be pressured to do the same

Instructing the party to back Brexit is the honourable thing to do.

[MrMarkyMark]

Thanks for the 'PM' Mr Mark. 2000 signatures of alleged grassroots members is not really something to be taken seriously, is it? The referendum was lost, so Brexit has to be applied. What can Corbyn do as opposition leader?

This thread is as pointless as your existence on these forums. Do us a favour and feck off.

Probably the same muppets that put him there in the first place, no?

Corbyns finished, he has about as much relevance as you do on these forums.

So, do us all a favour and feck off yourself

[fullyautomatix]

Thanks for the 'PM' Mr Mark. 2000 signatures of alleged grassroots members is not really something to be taken seriously, is it? The referendum was lost, so Brexit has to be applied. What can Corbyn do as opposition leader?

This thread is as pointless as your existence on these forums. Do us a favour and feck off.