Reply to: Clubbing a leaver

[vetran]

Agreed, the trouble is, there has been more and more of this since the Brexit vote and yes, it is both sides although noticeably more from those who voted Leave.

I think its noticeably more from racists who see the leave side as an opportunity to be scum.

[darmstadt]

Nasty my sympathies to her. Seems there are unpleasant people on either side,none of this was acceptable.

Agreed, the trouble is, there has been more and more of this since the Brexit vote and yes, it is both sides although noticeably more from those who voted Leave.

[darmstadt]

So a woman out walking her Doberman got assaulted? Mmmmm that sounds plausible....

You were up North recently weren't you?

Here's another Doberman for you....

[shaunbhoy]

copious piffle deleted

So a woman out walking her Doberman got assaulted? Mmmmm that sounds plausible....

[vetran]

Nasty my sympathies to her. Seems there are unpleasant people on either side,none of this was acceptable.

[darmstadt]

Last year I was assaulted and heavily injured, my crime, wearing a Remain button and having a slight accent, luckily my dog who was roaming in the bushes heard me scream and saw the attacker off, which stopped him from doing more damage than “just” a fractured cheekbone and a few long lasting bruises from being kicked while being down.

My attacker was a sturdy white guy, dressed in jeans and a bomber jacket, heavily tattooed and he kept telling me that the EDL would take care of me, because apparently I’m a “benefit thieving foreign cunt”.
To bore you with some facts, I’ve never been on benefits, I’m an EU citizen who’s married to a British citizen, we own our own company and according to our accountant we are in the top 10% bracket, so yes, I do pay quite a bit of tax.

Another boring fact: I didn’t come here for the “better life” – my quality of life is considerably worse than it was before, I’m not trying to be rude but even after more than 10 years I do have trouble to adjust to the lack of things I took for granted in other EU countries. Timely medical appointments and treatment with an eye on prevention (not the fault of the NHS but due to the lack of funding), houses that are well insulated as standard (not only cheaper also environmentally viable) and have living space, quality public transportation for reasonable prices, a choice of healthy food that isn’t ridiculously expensive…

The reason I came here was my husband and the fact that for me there was no language barrier as there would have been for him, if he would have moved. Due to the nature of my business being international, it was easier for me to relocate so we bought a house together in the UK and from day one I paid tax here.

The first 9 years, it was mainly getting used to the time warp, I used to joke about that this is how my parents or grandparents possibly lived. Estate agents were shocked that I said I absolutely need a kitchen that can accommodate a dish washer, I was told to just do the washing up, I explained politely that we both regularly work 10 to 12 hour days, it is the 21st century and a dish washer is just a regular modern appliance I’m used to. I got some very strange looks. Next hurdle was a hallway, no, I don’t want the front door opening into my living room, several reasons, it’s a lack of privacy and cold in winter. Just to clarify, we weren’t looking in or around London, but in an affluent Northern area. We made clear that space is quite important, the UK concept of space is certainly different than the European one, here a full bedroom means the room is full if you put a bed in it…

I got used to a lot of things (even the weather) a banking system that’s archaic even the lack of customer service (!) I’m a social person and there isn’t a lot of culture available without massive travel. There are pubs but I’m not a big drinker and a bit of a health freak. Ordering a still water in your average UK pub will get you some strange looks, if you’re lucky you can order a tea or coffee. Quite different to the rest of the civilized world.

As an animal lover (we have several rescue cats and dogs) I got involved with local animal charities and then other charities, as I noticed the level of poverty in the UK was quite shocking and has become progressively worse due to massive cuts. I have moved around quite a bit in my life, not just countries but also continents, and always thought wherever I live I should contribute to the society, not just with tax but also with practical help.

You could say I was somewhat settled and had made the UK my home. Work regularly brings me to other European countries and the US, but this was “home”, then the talk about the referendum started and things changed dramatically.

As a responsible dog owner, I clean up after my dogs, if I see somebody’s dog fouling in a park or on the road and they don’t pick up, I politely offer them a “doggie bag”, pretending they must have forgotten them. In the past on occasion they might have told me to mind my own business, now I regularly get yelled at to “**** off back where I came from, this is England” – I guess I must look lost?
Not only did I get assaulted, I had people verbally abusing me, spitting in my face, telling me to “get out, we won”, my dogs were called foreign dogs (they’re all English rescues) and I should get “English dogs, this is England!”
On social media I was forced to drop my maiden name from all profiles due to serious abuse and threats (I’ll mention again, I was never on benefits or social housing), I had people tracking me down, posting my address with suggestions they would “visit” me, accusations that I must be a prostitute, a migrant maggot, a foreign slapper, even people telling me they’d like to punch me.
When I mentioned that I was assaulted (chillingly on the same day as Jo Cox was killed) I was told I wasn’t punched hard enough and why was I complaining as I was just “roughed up a bit, not even raped”. I was even accused of making the story up! (Yes, apparently the police and medical records too).
To sum things up, the UK doesn’t feel like my home anymore and hubby and I are looking to move somewhere where racism and xenophobia isn’t as rampant as it is in here. Naturally we’ll take our taxes with us.

[vetran]

oh and just so we have full disclosure from that disgusting pariah of a lying racist newspaper

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ck-50-years-on

That said, in 1964, Smethwick’s Labour party was part of the racist problem rather than clearly its solution. One of Gill’s predecessors as a Labour councillor was a man called Ken Burns who ran the Sandwell Youth Club and operated a colour bar there. Worse, there was a colour bar at the Labour club on Coopers Lane.

“Colour bars were common in the 60s,” recalls Harbhajan Dardi, 67, retired social worker, ex-director of Sandwell Citizens Advice Bureau and assistant general secretary of the Indian Workers’ Association. “Barbers would make the Asian customers wait three, four, five hours while they cut white people’s hair. In those days, the Ivy Bush down the road had a colour bar,” he tells me as we chat over tea in his home on West Park Road. “People like me couldn’t drink there.”

oh and the problems were the same, subsequent Governments have not grasped the nettle.

When Griffiths died last year, John Spellar, the long-serving Labour MP whose Warley constituency covers Smethwick, reflected on what Griffiths’ racist electoral strategy amounted to: “Housing supply would be a concern to everyone, regardless of race, because people need to know that they can live close to their relatives. What the council of the day and Peter Griffiths did was to inflame the issue rather than try to resolve it and bring people together.”

I think the point you are failing to understand or communicate is that the word Coloured was commonplace then.

Yes I know its use is wrong, yes we are so much better now but both the Labour & Tory candidate would have used it freely.

[vetran]

and 50 years on

Labour has secretly suspended 50 members for anti-Semitic and racist comments

Labour has secretly suspended 50 of its members over anti-Semitic and racist comments as officials struggle to cope with the crisis engulfing the party.

Senior sources reveal that Labour's compliance unit has been swamped by the influx of hard-left supporters following Jeremy Corbyn's election.

[darmstadt]

Was it as bad as the 1936 Berlin games?

Worse actually....

[LondonManc]

Although in the 60's it was the other way around wasn't it?



They actually did a worse one in 1964 and it was also part of their manifesto but I wouldn't want to post it here...

Was it as bad as the 1936 Berlin games?

[darmstadt]

What is perceived as "leftist" has certainly changed in my lifetime.

Back in the 70s you could not tell a Labour Party election leaflet from a National Front one apart from the racist stuff in the latter. Labour back then was against the EU, against globalism and foreign ownership of companies. It saw its task as protecting and improving the lot of the British working man.

Nowadays, it is the left which, in pursuit of their often absurd visions of a united world, continually show contempt for our ordinary working people. They are seen as too stupid and uneducated to make any choices about the direction of their own nation.

Although in the 60's it was the other way around wasn't it?



They actually did a worse one in 1964 and it was also part of their manifesto but I wouldn't want to post it here...

[LondonManc]

What is perceived as "leftist" has certainly changed in my lifetime.

Back in the 70s you could not tell a Labour Party election leaflet from a National Front one apart from the racist stuff in the latter. Labour back then was against the EU, against globalism and foreign ownership of companies. It saw its task as protecting and improving the lot of the British working man.

Nowadays, it is the left which, in pursuit of their often absurd visions of a united world, continually show contempt for our ordinary working people. They are seen as too stupid and uneducated to make any choices about the direction of their own nation.

A lot of that is that the New Labour/Old Labour split has seen a lot of the leftie luvvy types realising that only a centrist, populist left is electable. That comes with the Europhiles and everything that you've said about these so-called intellectuals. Power for the sake of power, rather than being true to their roots, which is one of the very few things that I admire comrade Corbyn for.

[original PM]

What is perceived as "leftist" has certainly changed in my lifetime.

Back in the 70s you could not tell a Labour Party election leaflet from a National Front one apart from the racist stuff in the latter. Labour back then was against the EU, against globalism and foreign ownership of companies. It saw its task as protecting and improving the lot of the British working man.

Nowadays, it is the left which, in pursuit of their often absurd visions of a united world, continually show contempt for our ordinary working people. They are seen as too stupid and uneducated to make any choices about the direction of their own nation.

Very well put.

How many who voted remain were the children of parents who voted exit and spent a huge part of their savings to get the kids through university to help them get a better career.

Only to see them turn into arrogant idiots who think at the age of 23 they know it all.

And work at McDonald's.

[xoggoth]

What is perceived as "leftist" has certainly changed in my lifetime.

Back in the 70s you could not tell a Labour Party election leaflet from a National Front one apart from the racist stuff in the latter. Labour back then was against the EU, against globalism and foreign ownership of companies. It saw its task as protecting and improving the lot of the British working man.

Nowadays, it is the left which, in pursuit of their often absurd visions of a united world, continually show contempt for our ordinary working people. They are seen as too stupid and uneducated to make any choices about the direction of their own nation.

[SueEllen]

No you can't because Liberals will call you racist.

SEXIST!