Reply to: oh dear: From "Big Society" to "Shared Society", what's next?

[vetran]

OK, let's make it simple enough for a Brexiter to understand:
Do you think that the government is pushing for stronger border controls?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-irish-border

Calais migrants: Work to start on UK-funded wall - BBC News

well it certainly seems to be closing the holes.

[vetran]

I don't believe it is based on racism.


I do believe that the government is pushing for stronger border controls.
I also believe that the government and media are trying to encourage the fear and exclusion of certain religions.


Neither of those have anything to do with race.


Which of the two points are false?
Which of them is about racism?

the most often accusation put forward by remainers for Brexiters voting out.

Unfortunately they didn't start dealing with stronger border controls until after Brexit when they realised inviting them all to Germany was a bad idea and countries were about to derail the EU gravy train.

Certain religions extremists seem to be a pretty good job of excluding themselves. The moderates of the same religion are suffering from this & in some cases failing to integrate in the UK.

However lots of people seem to be turning up in the back of trucks and claiming Asylum despite passing through many safe countries - it seems sensible to assume these people aren't really ones we want in the UK. That is about protecting the UK population from people prepared to lie & break the law.

[LondonManc]

OK, let's make it simple enough for a Brexiter to understand:
Do you think that the government is pushing for stronger border controls?

Go for it, I didn't vote for Brexit.

[WTFH]

oh dear: From "Big Society" to "Shared Society", what's next?

We don't know - only you know what you believe.

Must try harder.

OK, let's make it simple enough for a Brexiter to understand:
Do you think that the government is pushing for stronger border controls?

[LondonManc]

I don't believe it is based on racism.


I do believe that the government is pushing for stronger border controls.
I also believe that the government and media are trying to encourage the fear and exclusion of certain religions.


Neither of those have anything to do with race.


Which of the two points are false?
Which of them is about racism?

We don't know - only you know what you believe.

Must try harder.

[WTFH]

Yeah because we really want to be the Scotland to Germany & France's UK.

Why do you remainers believe not wanting to be an EU superstate is based on racism? Hardly helps the discussion.

I don't believe it is based on racism.


I do believe that the government is pushing for stronger border controls.
I also believe that the government and media are trying to encourage the fear and exclusion of certain religions.


Neither of those have anything to do with race.


Which of the two points are false?
Which of them is about racism?

[LondonManc]

You mean the Breaminers don't really have any logical argument and can only insult people?

No, their logical argument is to cling to a figure for the NHS promised by a man who leads a party with one parliamentary seat.

The separate issue is that his party gain twice as many votes as some bint who is threatening to put "her country" back to the ballot box to leave the UK because her party didn't get their way first time.

[vetran]

It's easier to label someone as morally wrong than that they have differing opinions that you can't abide. Makes a Brexiter a racist rather than a Bremainer a bigot.

You mean the Breaminers don't really have any logical argument and can only insult people?

[LondonManc]

Yeah because we really want to be the Scotland to Germany & France's UK.

Why do you remainers believe not wanting to be an EU superstate is based on racism? Hardly helps the discussion.

It's easier to label someone as morally wrong than that they have differing opinions that you can't abide. Makes a Brexiter a racist rather than a Bremainer a bigot.

[AtW]

So that's Govt intervention or "Nunny State" then, how the fook did she become a conservative MP?

[vetran]

TM the PM wants us to be a shared society, shared, but not with any countries outside the UK, making it purely national.
But all this "shared society" stuff reeks of socialism.

So, strong controls on who gets into the country, encouraging fear and exclusion of people based on their religion, and the party portraying itself as national socialists.

Yeah because we really want to be the Scotland to Germany & France's UK.

Why do you remainers believe not wanting to be an EU superstate is based on racism? Hardly helps the discussion.

[LondonManc]

TM the PM wants us to be a shared society, shared, but not with any countries outside the UK, making it purely national.
But all this "shared society" stuff reeks of socialism.

So, strong controls on who gets into the country, encouraging fear and exclusion of people based on their religion, and the party portraying itself as national socialists.

Makes her sound like she's trying too hard not to be seen as Maggie the Second.

[vetran]

Isn't 'Shared Society' some kind of socialist thing, in the realms of what is your's is mine and so on? Bit of an oxymoron for Tories methinks...Just another meaningless media soundbite from May, much like 'Brexit is Brexit' and 'Red, White and Blue Brexit (*)' and 'We've got a first class leader at the moment. David Cameron is dealing with the issues that he was left by the last government very well indeed.'




(* I wonder if anyone has told her that the French and Dutch also have these colours...)

Socialism is that the state takes everything and distributes it as a few at the top (who normally come to power through revolution & murder) decide.


Conservatism is where the money goes to those that are best at making it. Some of that money is diverted to pay for a small state which should steer the the wealthy to pay for those less wealthy. Many of the richest realise that money isn't everything and start doing good works to make sure they are remembered that is why most great hospitals & schools have wings & plaques bearing the names of benefactors.

Small state , big society (i.e. people look after others less fortunate)

Try here
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nservatives.uk

[WTFH]

TM the PM wants us to be a shared society, shared, but not with any countries outside the UK, making it purely national.
But all this "shared society" stuff reeks of socialism.

So, strong controls on who gets into the country, encouraging fear and exclusion of people based on their religion, and the party portraying itself as national socialists.

[LondonManc]

A grasp of reality would help too.

All politicians are in somebody's pocket. Until that stops, your election pin-sticking means nothing. HTHBIDI