Reply to: The Poll Tax

[NotAllThere]

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Yet another argument that poll tax was much fairer™.

FTFY. You can't use an HMRC word like that without giving attribution.

[SueEllen]

That's a new definition of "great" which I'd never previously encountered.

She was outstandingly lucky in her enemies, being a band of Latin American meat packing glitterati led by Galtieri, and Arthur "Strategy, what strategy?" Scargill.

Without the first lot she'd never have won in 1983 and without the other clown she'd never have won in 87.

And we might have some industry left worth the name.

by the end she was in full blown teapot mode & mad as a box of frogs.

The alternative was Corbyn's idol, a Mr M Foot. So part of the reason she won so many elections was due to Labour being completely unelectable and a crap opposition.

The same can be said of why a Mr Blair won so many elections. The Tories were simply unelectable and a crap opposition.

[AtW]

Well how did that spy guy die in a holdall? Plus he gets them poisoned with radioactive substances.

The real scary things don't even get reported

[SueEllen]

Well how did that spy guy die in a holdall? Plus he gets them poisoned with radioactive substances.

[AtW]

In the UK a gentleman's word is his bond hence no ID checks. Plus Putin just kills people over here by stuffing them in bags.

[SueEllen]

In the UK a gentleman's word is his bond hence no ID checks. Plus Putin just kills people over here by stuffing them in bags.

[AtW]

Personal taxation in the UK has always been progressive which forms part of the social contract with the state. As the poll tax broke this principle even the wealthly in Windsor and Maidenhead revolted.

The term "progressive" in regards to much higher taxes is really annoying - it's not fecking progressive, it's HIGHER TAX, not progressive, never was, never will be.

In addition, like with the arguments over voter ID, it was argued the intention was to stop poorer people voting.

Now, that's big LOL - I've read about it recently, the shocking part to me always that security was super lax - no ID check ffs, PENS to scribble on piece of paper that can be easily copied - the next country where Putin will put his puppets in will be UK, perhaps it already is ...

Finally it's very simple to view local services costs more for more people. In areas with loads of second homes people pay their council tax but due to the lack of people actually living in the area full-time services are reduced.

Yet another argument that poll tax was much fairer.

[SueEllen]

But not to forget she was a great PM and made the country much stronger, until the Labour luddites got into power...

Blame John Major and the Tories after her.

[kaiser78]

And guess who got threatened with a fine?

Oh that schadenfreude is a right bitch.

Along with hubris.

Margaret Thatcher was almost fined for not registering for poll tax - ITV News

But not to forget she was a great PM and made the country much stronger, until the Labour luddites got into power...

[SueEllen]

Sounds very fair to me - local services (garbage generated) are dependent on number of people, rather than value of property, right?

Personal taxation in the UK has always been progressive which forms part of the social contract with the state. As the poll tax broke this principle even the wealthly in Windsor and Maidenhead revolted.

In addition, like with the arguments over voter ID, it was argued the intention was to stop poorer people voting.

Students and the unemployed are exempted from council tax but they weren't from the Poll Tax - they had to pay 20%- so loads of people went missing of the electoral roll. (Though being registered for Poll Tax didn't automatically put you on the electoral roll, they just crossed checked Poll Tax register with the electoral register.)

Finally it's very simple to view local services costs more for more people. In areas with loads of second homes people pay their council tax but due to the lack of people actually living in the area full-time services are reduced.

[AtW]

Anyway Poll Tax picked on poorer people who are more likely to have several adults living in a small property. It didn't take into account the value of the property.

Sounds very fair to me - local services (garbage generated) are dependent on number of people, rather than value of property, right?

[SueEllen]

Well you had the fairness of Dukes paying the same poll tax as their tenants.

And it really get the hoi polloi roiled up, especially the hoi polloi north of the border who were the first victims and have never ceased so to tell us.

I remember watching interviews about it a few months ago. Some of the most vocal campaigners were the lovely folk in Mrs May's constituency and they weren't young either.

[SueEllen]

So, anybody would care to explain why poll tax was unfair, but council tax somehow isn't?

25% council tax discount for single occupancy, no discount for unfurnished empty flat, surely "poll tax" thingy could not have been possibly any worse?

Firstly remember most of local government funding comes from Central government so the amount raised locally is only a fraction of what councils spend. This means regardless of what tax method is used it's just a way of central government getting you to blame local councillors particularly if they are a different political party.

Anyway Poll Tax picked on poorer people who are more likely to have several adults living in a small property. It didn't take into account the value of the property.

Council tax was a fudge to save the government after the riots. If they wanted to be fair they would have done a land value tax. However they won't do this as MPs are in the group who would pay more.

[AtW]

So, anybody would care to explain why poll tax was unfair, but council tax somehow isn't?

25% council tax discount for single occupancy, no discount for unfurnished empty flat, surely "poll tax" thingy could not have been possibly any worse?

[vetran]

How London has changed

Poll Tax riots 1989



London Riots 2016

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pict...he-police.html

Now if only we had a register of everyone in the UK?