Reply to: adiós Nicola

[malvolio]

Obviously someone thinks she is important enough...

Brexit50: the top 10 most important people

1= Theresa May, UK prime minister.

1= Angela Merkel, German chancellor.

3 Nicola Sturgeon, Scottish first minister.

4 Michel Barnier, chief Brexit negotiator for European commission.

5 Donald Tusk, European council president.

6 François Hollande, French president.

7 Philip Hammond, British chancellor.

8 David Davis, UK Brexit secretary.

9 Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European commission.

10 Guy Verhofstadt, MEP and lead rapporteur on Brexit for the European parliament.

"Important" as in "Have an impact on European politics"? Maybe. "Important " as in "Someone to pay attention to?" Probably no, only three people on that list qualify and one of them has been badly damaged by recent events.

Sturgeon remains an annoying minnow either way.

[darmstadt]

Obviously someone thinks she is important enough...

Brexit50: the top 10 most important people

1= Theresa May, UK prime minister.

1= Angela Merkel, German chancellor.

3 Nicola Sturgeon, Scottish first minister.

4 Michel Barnier, chief Brexit negotiator for European commission.

5 Donald Tusk, European council president.

6 François Hollande, French president.

7 Philip Hammond, British chancellor.

8 David Davis, UK Brexit secretary.

9 Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European commission.

10 Guy Verhofstadt, MEP and lead rapporteur on Brexit for the European parliament.

[vetran]

Nasty rumour - Sturgeons nickname at UNI was

Seaweed — because not even the tide would take her out.

[vetran]

So even though the polls say you would lose again you want to repeat the exercise of making dicks of yourselves.

Go on then.

Yeah its only OUR money you are pissing away.

If the Stupid Nationalist Party want to pay for it all well and good. If not its been voted on and you lost!

[GB9]

That vote was when the No side said the only way for Scotland to be in the EU was to stay part of the UK. Those circumstances have changed with Brexit and there will be another referendum along shortly

So even though the polls say you would lose again you want to repeat the exercise of making dicks of yourselves.

Go on then.

[Batcher]

Kind of misses the point that Scotland recently had a vote on whether or not to become independent and dismissed the notion.

That vote was when the No side said the only way for Scotland to be in the EU was to stay part of the UK. Those circumstances have changed with Brexit and there will be another referendum along shortly

[MrMarkyMark]

Damn. Foiled again!

He has a very "special" way about him

[GB9]

Not official unfortunately, I await the shaggy ones response

Damn. Foiled again!

[MrMarkyMark]

There you go.

Not official unfortunately, I await the shaggy ones response

[GB9]

<Brave Nicola will lead us into independence. We will control our destiny. We will control Europe. Alex Salmond will be President of the Commission. Gordon Brown will save the World. England will be ours.

They'll never take our FREEEEEEEDOMMMMMM!!!!>

There you go.

[MrMarkyMark]

<BS Post from Scooter Place holder>

[shaunbhoy]

Kind of misses the point that if Scotland becomes independent, it's not part of the UK

Kind of misses the point that Scotland recently had a vote on whether or not to become independent and dismissed the notion.

[original PM]

FFS linking the Daily Fail !!

https://www.commonspace.scot/article...lands-place-eu

But the crucial difference, which seems to have escaped the attention of señor Rajoy and his legal advisers, is that Article 49 gives him the power of veto, 50 does not.

The important part of Article 50 is paragraph 2. It has already become common parlance in the media and is destined to feature in many news stories to come:

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

That cross-reference to Article 218(3) is vitally important. It means that an exit deal has to be approved not by unanimity in Council but by a qualified majority. To cut a long story short, Rajoy - or more likely his successor considering the weakness of his minority government in Spain - would have to find at least seven other member states to support him should he want to scupper a Brexit agreement just because it permitted Scotland to be part of the EU.

Just the kind of bloated unworkable political rubbish we are looking to get away from.

[Batcher]

FFS linking the Daily Fail !!

https://www.commonspace.scot/article...lands-place-eu

But the crucial difference, which seems to have escaped the attention of señor Rajoy and his legal advisers, is that Article 49 gives him the power of veto, 50 does not.

The important part of Article 50 is paragraph 2. It has already become common parlance in the media and is destined to feature in many news stories to come:

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

That cross-reference to Article 218(3) is vitally important. It means that an exit deal has to be approved not by unanimity in Council but by a qualified majority. To cut a long story short, Rajoy - or more likely his successor considering the weakness of his minority government in Spain - would have to find at least seven other member states to support him should he want to scupper a Brexit agreement just because it permitted Scotland to be part of the EU.

[SimonMac]

"If the UK leaves the single market, the whole UK will leave the single market. There is only one negotiator, the UK government."

Kind of misses the point that if Scotland becomes independent, it's not part of the UK

This was before independence, I read it as Sturgeon would threaten a second independence vote if the deal wasn't agreed to allow Scotland to stay when the rest of the UK leaves, no idea what she has been smoking to think there is any legs in anything she has to say anymore