Reply to: A statement from Dodgy agent

[Forumbore]

Does he bollocks...

From personal experience he believes in wealth redistribution. He fails to admit that redistribution is to him

[LondonManc]

It is a point of view - just one of many different ways of looking at things

Indeed. Hope the poor fella is coping and not taking it out on you.

[Forumbore]

He still has a point but it's just wrong if proven incorrect.

It is a point of view - just one of many different ways of looking at things

[LondonManc]

He has a point in my view (having said that he does pay my wages ) until you can prove otherwise

He still has a point but it's just wrong if proven incorrect.

[Mordac]

Example of one of his "racist overtones" please? DA is actually very left wing. He believes strongly in the concept of wealth redistribution and the sharing of responsibilities within communities

Does he bollocks...

[Forumbore]

As do the bleeding hearts and their view that DA and co. are a bunch of alt-right hate mongers with racist overtones.

As before, in the absence of facts and meaningful discussion all we are left with is insults, so whats the point?

Example of one of his "racist overtones" please? DA is actually very left wing. He believes strongly in the concept of wealth redistribution and the sharing of responsibilities within communities

[DaveB]

He has a point in my view (having said that he does pay my wages ) until you can prove otherwise

As do the bleeding hearts and their view that DA and co. are a bunch of alt-right hate mongers with racist overtones.

As before, in the absence of facts and meaningful discussion all we are left with is insults, so whats the point?

[Forumbore]

And the first recourse of the right/alt-right brigade is to call anyone who disagrees with them a virtue signalling bleeding heart liberal (copyright Dodgy Agent).

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He has a point in my view (having said that he does pay my wages ) until you can prove otherwise

[NotAllThere]

Fallacy Ref to the rescue :

I beg to differ. It was phrased as a potential answer, rather than an inevitable logical corollary. Further more, hyperbole (deliberate use of exaggeration for effect) is a legitimate debating technique.

[DaveB]

Sockies walk a knife-edge of toleration, so watch it.

Being an ignorant pillock?

Fallacy Ref to the rescue :

[NotAllThere]

Looks like you are beginning to learn

Sockies walk a knife-edge of toleration, so watch it.

And the first recourse of the right/alt-right brigade is to call anyone who disagrees with them a virtue signalling bleeding heart liberal (copyright Dodgy Agent).

It's largely down to an absence of actual facts on both sides, which makes it impossible to have any kind of reasoned discussion. Even when facts are presented one side or the other will immediately attempt to discredit them by picking out hypothetical cases that discredit those facts and extrapolating that to be the case across the board. I'm sure there is a term for it but I can't recall what it is..

Being an ignorant pillock?

[Forumbore]

And the first recourse of the right/alt-right brigade is to call anyone who disagrees with them a virtue signalling bleeding heart liberal (copyright Dodgy Agent).

It's largely down to an absence of actual facts on both sides, which makes it impossible to have any kind of reasoned discussion. Even when facts are presented one side or the other will immediately attempt to discredit them by picking out hypothetical cases that discredit those facts and extrapolating that to be the case across the board. I'm sure there is a term for it but I can't recall what it is.

E.g. Immigrants are supposed to go through checks on background and identity, but if in one case someone claimed to have lost their passport and subverted those checks to get in without being identified, all immigrants must be avoiding those checks.

As a true Global agent I have to vet foreign workers all the time. It is a complex process that requires host countries to have comprehensive systems and data of their own. I very much doubt that Afghanistan has these (Syria does but the system has for obvious reasons broken down). In normal circumstances if information on backgrounds, qualifications, references, medical history is not available people will not be admitted into the UK or any other EU country.

[DaveB]

no but the first recourse of leftie/bleeding heart liberals is to try to discredit the opposition by tarring them as racist.

I didn't judge WTFH on his politics or leanings just his post. If you think he is a rampant lefty then you need to discuss that with him. Personally I think he is normally pretty balanced.

And the first recourse of the right/alt-right brigade is to call anyone who disagrees with them a virtue signalling bleeding heart liberal (copyright Dodgy Agent).

It's largely down to an absence of actual facts on both sides, which makes it impossible to have any kind of reasoned discussion. Even when facts are presented one side or the other will immediately attempt to discredit them by picking out hypothetical cases that discredit those facts and extrapolating that to be the case across the board. I'm sure there is a term for it but I can't recall what it is.

E.g. Immigrants are supposed to go through checks on background and identity, but if in one case someone claimed to have lost their passport and subverted those checks to get in without being identified, all immigrants must be avoiding those checks.

[LondonManc]

How does it do that?

Sorry, typo, incidents.

[Forumbore]

How does it do that?

Migrant men and European women | The Economist