Reply to: What Theresa did next

[BlasterBates]

That's 3 weeks old. Can you muppets please keep up.

Presumably you mean the Economists that have suggested that Merkel try and block Brexit ?

In what way will that change Angela Merkel's stance ?

Why is her stance incongruent with that ?

I noticed the Daily Express incorrectly interpreted it as the German government were now going to cave into the UK and offer them a trade deal on their terms which is as ridiculous as their assertions that Australia and the US were going to start immediate trade negotiations back in July. Obviously they were completely wrong. Do you think they've got it right on this ?

[GB9]

Here is another one for your list:

German trade bodies back tough stance on Brexit

That's 3 weeks old. Can you muppets please keep up.

[GB9]

But, as stated earlier in this thread, the wording of the Referendum bill was that its result would be "advisory", not mandatory.
i.e. mp's are merely "advised" to invoke article 50 - they are still free to exercise their own judgement on it.
And, general election or not, the house will still have a majority of MPs who favour remain. So any legislation to invoke article 50 put before parliament is bound to fail, isn't it?

Britain is not run by the people, it is run by MPs in parliament responsible for legislation, and the majority leaders of them forming the executive.

The majority of MPs will vote the way their constituents voted. A50 will be passed. If it isn't there will be a GE followed by a very right wing government.

[GJABS]

I'm sure this has been said before, possibly even in this thread, but parliament HAS had a say. They voted through the Referendum Bill by a huge margin and the government along with the rest of the Remain campaign made it very clear that this is OUR choice and if the country chooses to leave the EU then leave we would.

But, as stated earlier in this thread, the wording of the Referendum bill was that its result would be "advisory", not mandatory.
i.e. mp's are merely "advised" to invoke article 50 - they are still free to exercise their own judgement on it.
And, general election or not, the house will still have a majority of MPs who favour remain. So any legislation to invoke article 50 put before parliament is bound to fail, isn't it?

Britain is not run by the people, it is run by MPs in parliament responsible for legislation, and the majority leaders of them forming the executive.

[SueEllen]

But the opposition did vote on the referendum and by extension the actions that would need to be taken in the event of Leave winning. It was all very clear what would happen if we voted to leave & that's why millions upon millions of people went to the ballot box - to get a decisive result that would be acted upon not to have the whole process go through parliament.

Parliament is sovereign. The government of the day cannot choose to ignore the law and due process as rulers who try and become dictators in the UK learn that the people won't put up with it.

[Big Blue Plymouth]

A majority does not give you the right to break the law. By your own logic it would be undemocratic for the opposition to question the sitting goverment over their policies as they were there by the people.

But the opposition did vote on the referendum and by extension the actions that would need to be taken in the event of Leave winning. It was all very clear what would happen if we voted to leave & that's why millions upon millions of people went to the ballot box - to get a decisive result that would be acted upon not to have the whole process go through parliament.

Edit: Ok, my bad. So the referendum result is not legally binding just advisory. We were all lied to when we were told article 50 would be invoked in the event of a leave victory.

And, yes, I acknowledge there were lies on both sides of the argument....

[milanbenes]

But Brexit means Brexit! He was clearly a plant put there by the remainers.

rotflmfao

Milan.

[BlueSharp]

Theresa May's slim majority crumbling:

Stephen Philips resigns

But Brexit means Brexit! He was clearly a plant put there by the remainers.

[BlasterBates]

Theresa May's slim majority crumbling:

Stephen Philips resigns

[BlueSharp]

I'm sure this has been said before, possibly even in this thread, but parliament HAS had a say. They voted through the Referendum Bill by a huge margin and the government along with the rest of the Remain campaign made it very clear that this is OUR choice and if the country chooses to leave the EU then leave we would.

ISTR Cameron said he'd invoke Article 50 the very next day.

So we don't need another vote & for some of the Remainiacs to claim that this result is a victory for our parliamentary democracy is completely disingenouus because we all know that our elected MPs along with the unelected Europhile rump in the House of Lords will do everything to hinder, water down and possibly even overturn Brexit and if that happens yet more law making powers will be transferred to Brussels & we won't have any parliamentary democracy left to speak of.

A majority does not give you the right to break the law. By your own logic it would be undemocratic for the opposition to question the sitting goverment over their policies as they were there by the people.

[BlasterBates]

Rather than burying your heads you would do well to actually click on the links I post and then read the articles. Reality check

Here is another one for your list:

German trade bodies back tough stance on Brexit

[Big Blue Plymouth]

I'm sure this has been said before, possibly even in this thread, but parliament HAS had a say. They voted through the Referendum Bill by a huge margin and the government along with the rest of the Remain campaign made it very clear that this is OUR choice and if the country chooses to leave the EU then leave we would.

ISTR Cameron said he'd invoke Article 50 the very next day.

So we don't need another vote & for some of the Remainiacs to claim that this result is a victory for our parliamentary democracy is completely disingenouus because we all know that our elected MPs along with the unelected Europhile rump in the House of Lords will do everything to hinder, water down and possibly even overturn Brexit and if that happens yet more law making powers will be transferred to Brussels & we won't have any parliamentary democracy left to speak of.

[darmstadt]

Rather than burying your heads you would do well to actually click on the links I post and then read the articles. Reality check

those are articles written by a Eurosceptic press therefore they have cherry picked the parts which prove their point but left the rest out. go to the BoE website and read the actual report(s).

[BlueSharp]

Rather than burying your heads you would do well to actually click on the links I post and then read the articles. Reality check

The BOE link? Yep read it and it shows growth for when we have access to the single market. What's your point?

[GB9]

Exactly and generally people in the EU are simply expecting the EU to offer a fairly clear binary take it or leave it approach. In fact in Germany which would be most affected, they can't find enough skilled workers for their car industry so they're pretty uninterested as to whether it shrinks somewhat as a result of Brexit.

Rather than burying your heads you would do well to actually click on the links I post and then read the articles. Reality check