Reply to: The cccciirrrrcllleee of liiiifffffeeeeee

[VectraMan]

It's the "I-ness" that a computer clearly doesn't have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAMPy_AhEns

[WTFH]

haha define "I-ness"

Id.

[diseasex]

Even monkeys have sentience, we simply just have way better hardware. That leads to a conclusion that sentience is not exclusive to humans.
If you don't believe me see gorilla talking (with hands) the day it was captured. Crying "it's" mother was killed etc...

[MrMarkyMark]

haha define "I-ness"

He can't, Apple own the copyright

[diseasex]

It's more likely that German humans are not as sophisticated when it comes to computers

Fair point about the pronoun, although that wasn't the point I was making.
It's the "I-ness" that a computer clearly doesn't have.

haha define "I-ness"

[scooterscot]

Not something you ever get over. There'll be good days there'll be bad days.

Happiness is a choice. Choose wisely!

[sasguru]

So whether or not something is sentient is defined by which English pronoun is used?

In German a Computer is a 'He'. Are German computers smarter than ours?

It's more likely that German humans are not as sophisticated when it comes to computers

Fair point about the pronoun, although that wasn't the point I was making.
It's the "I-ness" that a computer clearly doesn't have.

[MrMarkyMark]

What if your brain rots after you die?

Don't worry, not so much for you to personally worry about, when pondering such a big question.

[WTFH]

Cogito ergo sum

...and that's what separates me from some of the posters on here.

[diseasex]

How do you know that you know now what you knew when you went to sleep? You might have invented a cure for cretinism but have completely forgotten all about it.

What if your brain rots after you die? or smash your pc with a hammer. There will be no turning it on again because parts essential to running it are gone.

Life is just a flow of matter, our atoms later become fertiliser and become plants that get eaten by cows etc..... matter flows around the universe.

[Uncle Albert]

Define "consciousness".

I had no consciousness for several hours last night. I wasn't dead. When I woke up I still knew what I knew before I went to sleep, as did my computer when I woke it up.

How do you know that you know now what you knew when you went to sleep? You might have invented a cure for cretinism but have completely forgotten all about it.

[VectraMan]

The clue lies in the underlined words. Notice you said you woke it up not "him" or "her" up.
The computer doesn't know its its an "I" - at least at the current state of the art.

So whether or not something is sentient is defined by which English pronoun is used?

In German a Computer is a 'He'. Are German computers smarter than ours?

[sasguru]

Define "consciousness".

I had no consciousness for several hours last night. I wasn't dead. When I woke up I still knew what I knew before I went to sleep, as did my computer when I woke it up.

The clue lies in the underlined words. Notice you said you woke it up not "him" or "her" up.
The computer doesn't know its its an "I" - at least at the current state of the art.

[VectraMan]

Bollox. Even when a computer is fully functional it has no consciousness.

Define "consciousness".

I had no consciousness for several hours last night. I wasn't dead. When I woke up I still knew what I knew before I went to sleep, as did my computer when I woke it up.

[diseasex]

Bollox. Even when a computer is fully functional it has no consciousness.

thats what Stephen Hawking says at least. Kinda what I believe too..