Reply to: Tempted to the Dark side

[LondonManc]

Appraisals you just ask for training.

Team Nights - they take us to fine restaurants. Not very often our team is spread across the world.

This. If I'm not doing well enough, train me to do better. If I am doing well enough, entice me to stay.

[vetran]

True appraisal are total waste of time luckily my manager is pretty bad so I just re-submit my old stuff, team nights ... I go if there paying and its an ok place .... I think the one permy trait I can't stomach and will most probably stop any career progression is 'brown nosing' I just won't do it, also I have to bight my tongue a lot if someone more senior gives me grief, more than once I have felt the words 'just ***** off' welling up and ready to come out of my mouth.

Appraisals you just ask for training.

Team Nights - they take us to fine restaurants. Not very often our team is spread across the world.

[BoggyMcCBoggyFace]

Couldn't face the appraisals and team nights out. Think I'll retire early instead

True appraisal are total waste of time luckily my manager is pretty bad so I just re-submit my old stuff, team nights ... I go if there paying and its an ok place .... I think the one permy trait I can't stomach and will most probably stop any career progression is 'brown nosing' I just won't do it, also I have to bight my tongue a lot if someone more senior gives me grief, more than once I have felt the words 'just ***** off' welling up and ready to come out of my mouth.

[ClothCap]

Unlikely to be 60-70hrs, also most likely bonus on top for that kind of salary would say 15-20k bonus, then pension on top say another 10% and pension is based on salary + bonus so say another 11k pension. then holidays, then no having to kid yourself your outside of IR35 (though you may be but how many really are), no worrying about HMRC changing the rules all the time, no paperwork and admin, + no being bucketed as only a developer which most contractors are, training paid for so can re-skill.

These days permy isn't that bad if you get the right job, I do miss contracting but for a bit less £ I get a lot more peace of mind and don't have the constant fear HMRC is going to try and tap me for cash.

Couldn't face the appraisals and team nights out. Think I'll retire early instead

[AtW]

look what permiedom did to MF!

It's not for the lightweights!

FTFY

[northernladuk]

His bench was mighty relieved when he stopped sitting on it, that's for sure.

[LondonManc]

look what permiedom did to MF!

Its not for the weak!

His bench was mighty relieved when he stopped sitting on it, that's for sure.

[BoggyMcCBoggyFace]

So presuming 86k per year in London for a role where you are taking an immense amount of pressure and no doubt working 60-70 hour weeks?

You can earn considerably more than that contracting, even oop north. 40 hour week, minimal stress and 8 weeks or more off per year.

Yeah, 86k permie role every time

Unlikely to be 60-70hrs, also most likely bonus on top for that kind of salary would say 15-20k bonus, then pension on top say another 10% and pension is based on salary + bonus so say another 11k pension. then holidays, then no having to kid yourself your outside of IR35 (though you may be but how many really are), no worrying about HMRC changing the rules all the time, no paperwork and admin, + no being bucketed as only a developer which most contractors are, training paid for so can re-skill.

These days permy isn't that bad if you get the right job, I do miss contracting but for a bit less £ I get a lot more peace of mind and don't have the constant fear HMRC is going to try and tap me for cash.

[vetran]

look what permiedom did to MF!

Its not for the weak!

[LondonManc]

He can borrow 400-500k on that for a house, and make a fortune on the increase.

Contractors struggle to even get a mortgage.

I reckon he'll do just 37.5 per week with six weeks holiday. You bunch of mugs.

Click...
And you're back in the room and back in the real world.

[Mordac]

IT Operations Manager Agile Applications Banking Finance London

Salary
£86k p day
Location
London
Job type
Permanent

Best guess (not knowing your situation) sound like a taker. Esp @ 86k p/day. Fookin 'ell, there are footballers out there who are on the phone to their agents right now. You seemed to have blagged a good un, milk it while you have the chance.

[MarillionFan]

So presuming 86k per year in London for a role where you are taking an immense amount of pressure and no doubt working 60-70 hour weeks?

You can earn considerably more than that contracting, even oop north. 40 hour week, minimal stress and 8 weeks or more off per year.

Yeah, 86k permie role every time

He can borrow 400-500k on that for a house, and make a fortune on the increase.

Contractors struggle to even get a mortgage.

I reckon he'll do just 37.5 per week with six weeks holiday. You bunch of mugs.

[AtW]

Of course....

FTFY

[AtW]

£86,000 per day.

Does that include subsidised Michelin 4 star diner?

FTFY

[ClothCap]

So presuming 86k per year in London for a role where you are taking an immense amount of pressure and no doubt working 60-70 hour weeks?

You can earn considerably more than that contracting, even oop north. 40 hour week, minimal stress and 8 weeks or more off per year.

Yeah, 86k permie role every time