Reply to: Runaway to ISIS school girl dead

[cojak]

I'm not very impressed by many on this thread.

The young girl was 16, she was naive and impressionable, as I was at that age.

My mistakes were not as large or as fatal, and I'm saddened that there are many on this forum who are happy to say 'good riddance' to such a young life.

This thread is now closed.

[barrydidit]

There was a young girl called Sultana
Who thought that IS was nirvana
But that was just shyte
And so leave! She just might
Till the Russians turned up and napalmed her

[minestrone]

And what's the deal with the YouTube embed being fecked?

The clip was Morgan Freedman in Shawshank Redemption at his parole meeting.

There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, or because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then, a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I wanna talk to him. I wanna try to talk some sense to him -- tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old man is all that's left. I gotta live with that.

[Mordac]

Yep, almost like they've practised.

It's only one plane flight that can be booked online, grab a bag and go. I'm sure it's not hard to convince a 16 year old how much fun it would be. Almost like a holiday.

That's why they're still kids, they don't have the life experience in order to know exactly what's going to happen.

Hell, when I was 16 I thought I was the dogs bollocks and nothing would ever happen. I'd never get fat and lose my hair. Well, lesson learned.

Something to bear in mind next time some idiot starts calling for the voting age to be lowered.
And as for sympathy, you'll find it in the dictionary between sh1t and syphilis

[SueEllen]

Oh really, that's almost as bad as that oft spouted lefty, progressive claptrap in which the Bulger killers are touted as helpless victims who didn't know that what they were doing was wrong

I always wonder what kind of family environment they were brought up in simply because kids that age normally copy the behaviour of adults and older teenagers around them.

I remember going to a wedding where there was a kids table in an alcove and the kids were basically left to it with two adult male chaperones.

It started with the older girls but within 20 minutes every kid over 10 was looking after a younger kid.

Then half an hour later every kid over 6 was looking after or more likely trying to look after a kid younger than themselves.

I only looked in because the guys couldn't cope and one came out looking visibly distressed. The younger kids where running around with their carer(s) trying to get them to eat and drink.

[ClothCap]

Can't claim to be ignorant of the consequences if you are/were a 'straight A student' as is reported. Sympathy? Nah, I'll save that for deserving causes

[Malcolm Buggeridge]

Yep, almost like they've practised.

It's only one plane flight that can be booked online, grab a bag and go. I'm sure it's not hard to convince a 16 year old how much fun it would be. Almost like a holiday.

That's why they're still kids, they don't have the life experience in order to know exactly what's going to happen.

Hell, when I was 16 I thought I was the dogs bollocks and nothing would ever happen. I'd never get fat and lose my hair. Well, lesson learned.

Oh really, that's almost as bad as that oft spouted lefty, progressive claptrap in which the Bulger killers are touted as helpless victims who didn't know that what they were doing was wrong

[original PM]

Exactly, which is why a bunch of balding middle aged jaded IT contractors shouldn't be gloating over the fact that a 16 year old girl was coerced and manipulated and is now dead. Human sympathy really is in short supply on here

No one is gloating, no thinks it's great she is dead.

However although a 16 year old is naive in many ways you would struggle to find many who feel running away to marry an ISIS freedom fighter who openly wish to attack the country you lived in and therefore by association hundreds of people you know is a good life plan.

[minestrone]

[MarillionFan]

Exactly, which is why a bunch of balding middle aged jaded IT contractors shouldn't be gloating over the fact that a 16 year old girl was coerced and manipulated and is now dead. Human sympathy really is in short supply on here

Let us know how much Human Sympathy pays per hour and we'll consider it.

[DimPrawn]

I'm surprised the BBC headline isn't

"Innocent British child killed by appalling Russian/USA military whilst on holiday"

[NotAllThere]

You know every facet of your kids lives?

Irrelevant. Although I don't buy the modern mindset that at 13 they all turn into Kevin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuEY6jN6gY and stop communicating. Ours didn't. They've all made it to adulthood, seem well adjusted and are doing find in their chosen careers, so I must have done something right (for example, leaving their upbringing to my wife ).

Perhaps the girl's parents were too hands off. Perhaps they wanted to give her her privacy. Or perhaps they were openly (at home) supporting ISIS. Maybe they were bemoaning the West and saying how lovely it would be if the Caliphate were extended to the UK. Maybe they encouraged her activity. Of course, if they did, there's no way they could actually say so. In public they'd have to be all shocked.

The fact is, we don't know. I wouldn't assume the parents were innocent parties, but either way, they failed.

[DimPrawn]

Human sympathy really is in short supply on here

There you go.

[Burns]

Don't believe what the parents say. They probably also blame the schools, social workers and the police except themselves

It's difficult to put yourself in the position of these parents and it would be easy if you were in their position to attempt to blame others. That's part of the grieving process, it would be tough to deal with that in the public eye as they are.

But if you have no empathy for these girls then I worry for you.

Taken from BBC News article.

Recordings of phone calls between Kadiza and her sister Halima, who is in the UK, were filmed by a freelance journalist for ITV.
In them, Kadiza said the man she had married had been killed, and that she wanted to return to the UK. She also said she "felt scared".

[Eirikur]

I heard on the news that she was trying to escape back to the west. Possibly that she had changed her mind. We all made some terrible decisions when we were younger, sadly this one proved fatal.

Who knows where her head was at, or who was brainwashing her young naive mind. It's all rather sad.

Don't believe what the parents say. They probably also blame the schools, social workers and the police except themselves