Reply to: Brexit Minister googles "What is the EU" after his appointment

[Mordac]

You are writing for deaf ears, or even more accurate for closed eyes and minds.

You're not wrong. I have a 2 and a half year old niece who probably has a better grasp of EU law and politics than some of the idiots on here.
I don't mind having an intelligent discussion about such matters, but the only intelligence I'm seeing here is from the Leave side, who are mostly pragmatic and realistic. All I'm seeing from the Remainers (well, most of them) is ranting, abuse hurling, toys-out-of-the-pram stuff.
Interestingly, my 2 and a half year old niece is pretty good at that as well...

[Mordac]

I wouldn't envisage them withdrawing, more a wider point that when it suits, rules can be changed.

Neither would I, and no they can't - at least not by an individual member who happens to want to suit themselves.

It may be that trade suits one member but the others have no interest. I could see a rule in such a case that says only the interested member negotiates. It may be that the outcome then applies to all.

Yes that may well be. No you can't, and no it wouldn't.

If a fudge is needed I'm sure it can be achieved.

This is the EU we're talking about, the home of fudge (sorry Devonians). Even then, achieving a fudge (especially one of some benefit) seems to prove ever more improbable.

[shaunbhoy]

Some irrelevant petulant waffle deleted

I appreciate that, never having been in a position where you have been required to use much initiative, that the whole idea of a country making its own decisions can be quite daunting.
However, fear not. There are those that are brighter and bolder than you that will chart the country's progress through these stormy waters. Until then, why not go back to weaving baskets or whatever other therapy is de rigeur for the emotionally and intellectually bankrupt these days?
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution, and in your case the former category sticks out like a sore thumb.

[GB9]

Sadly untrue, unless Germany withdraws from the EU first. We'll have to see what happens to Merkel in the forthcoming elections to judge the likelihood (or not) of that.

I wouldn't envisage them withdrawing, more a wider point that when it suits, rules can be changed.

It may be that trade suits one member but the others have no interest. I could see a rule in such a case that says only the interested member negotiates. It may be that the outcome then applies to all.

If a fudge is needed I'm sure it can be achieved.

[CretinWatcher]

So buckle up and await instructions!

Spoken like the true corporal you are.
It's not enough that, together with the rest of the stupid half of the population, you followed your idiotic leaders over the edge of a cliff, but even though they ran away, you'd still be happy to sit up, jump and fetch too.
You're a blockhead of truly epic proportions.

[SueEllen]

If Scotland want to vote again, and this time choose to leave then f***' em.

The only people against it clearly are against democracy.

[shaunbhoy]

On the basis that the UK is an EU member

Utter pish. The UK's EU status was never guaranteed during the Scottish Referendum. And as the Brexit result clearly shows, nor could it ever HAVE been.

... which is the whole point behind why 27 other member states don't have any issues with Brussels/Strasbourg negotiate on behalf of the union as a whole.

Of course they don't. There are NO dissenting voices within the EU regarding the "value" of the Brussels/Strasbourg establishment. What fooking planet are you from?

Strictly speaking, the UK is not a country, but a country of countries.

It is a United Kingdom, the clue is in the name. Politicians from across that Kingdom meet at Westminster to negotiate national policy. Despite what some may wish for, that is the reality. So buckle up and await instructions!

[Mordac]

On the basis that the UK is an EU member, but that is apparently not going to "remain", so the entire basis for their decision has vanished.



... which is the whole point behind why 27 other member states don't have any issues with Brussels/Strasbourg negotiate on behalf of the union as a whole.

Strictly speaking, the UK is not a country, but a country of countries.

It's therefore convenient that in EU lingo speak, all countries are known as "member states", not countries.

[m0n1k3r]

So whose hype were you listening to that you believe that garbage? Would you like it spelt out? IT IS ENSHRINED IN EU LAW, ALL TRADE NEGOTIATIONS ARE DONE THROUGH THE EU. END OF.

Better?

You are writing for deaf ears, or even more accurate for closed eyes and minds.

[m0n1k3r]

ftfy

Should be at most 24 months. The parties can agree that no further negotiation is required at any point, and agree on the divorce settlement there and then. It can potentially be more than 24 months, but only if the two parties + 26 EU member states agree, which won't happen.

[m0n1k3r]

No problem at all. The only part of the "United Kingdom" that had any reservations about the status quo regarding the Union, put it to the test less than 2 years ago. The resounding answer was to stay as part of the UK.

On the basis that the UK is an EU member, but that is apparently not going to "remain", so the entire basis for their decision has vanished.

The resounding answer was to stay as part of the UK. Therefore, despite a minority of disgruntled malcontents that seem disinclined to respect the democratic voice of the people, there is no reason not to utilise Westminster to negotiate deals on behalf of the country as a whole.

... which is the whole point behind why 27 other member states don't have any issues with Brussels/Strasbourg negotiate on behalf of the union as a whole.

Strictly speaking, the UK is not a country, but a country of countries.

[Mordac]

Not forming individual trade deals is not a rule, or a law.

So whose hype were you listening to that you believe that garbage? Would you like it spelt out? IT IS ENSHRINED IN EU LAW, ALL TRADE NEGOTIATIONS ARE DONE THROUGH THE EU. END OF.

Better?

[Mordac]

Their glorious leader plus a whole host of others cretins clearly stated 'no informal negotiations'. And in the background informal negotiations took place!

If Germany wants a trade agreement directly with the UK it will get one and there will be sweet fa the EU can do about it.

Sadly untrue, unless Germany withdraws from the EU first. We'll have to see what happens to Merkel in the forthcoming elections to judge the likelihood (or not) of that.

[Mordac]

Really? When? While the PM was getting changed?
Honestly in a forum full of complete retards, you're a stand-out.

Most "negotiations" take place between civil servants anyway, and the politicians give guidelines and then turn up at the end to take the credit if it works well, or else they do a Gordon Brown and sign up in a back room if they know it's crap but don't have much choice.
Do you understand any of that, as a completely retarded cretinous troll? Thought not.

[Mordac]

It is not so much as does not know more does not care.

We are not fussed about dealing with the EU as a trading block

We will trade with individual members of the EU if we wish as individual countries.

People are still thinking in terms of the EU - we do not care

We should care - individual EU member states cannot negotiate with the UK (or anyone else for that matter). Have you not been paying attention for the past fifty eleven years? We do, if played right, have the upper hand in negotiations on trade. The single market is a bit of a smokescreen, since any trade deal (e.g. a tariff free deal each way, which is the sort of deal we'll probably get in the end, despite all the political posturing from politicians who may not even be in their jobs when any deal is finally agreed) has to include all member states by EU rules.