Reply to: Brexit: What does it mean for expats?

[SueEllen]

Gidiot is apparently sorting out Camoron's mess.

[SueEllen]

No, I don't think that can be dealt with swiftly, but they need to put aside the circular firing squad for a second and write something down on paper, since Hamface famously prevented any civil servants from planning our exit in writing.

Camoron was assured that he was going to win so had no need for a plan B. Anyway he's a bad negotiator as we have already seen and doesn't have the heart to be remembered as the guy who also screwed up the resulting trade deals.

Also he's probably had talks with the likes of Major of how to stab the knife into those Eurosceptics in his government by leaving them to it e.g. this plot

Now is the time to begin communicating a strategy that the declared candidates can all sign up to. It won't be easy, but they need to begin putting the national interest first. For example, it's outrageous that Gidiot has gone AWOL.

Gidiot has been plotting.

He's been working out whether he can be PM and if he can't can he remain a senior figure by backing the "right person".

Actually the "right person" should give him the DWP as his portfolio. He's hated anyway so it won't make a difference.

[jamesbrown]

You mean let Boris or Gove become leader and watch the matter implode.

No, I don't think that can be dealt with swiftly, but they need to put aside the circular firing squad for a second and write something down on paper, since Hamface famously prevented any civil servants from planning our exit in writing. Now is the time to begin communicating a strategy that the declared candidates can all sign up to. It won't be easy, but they need to begin putting the national interest first. For example, it's outrageous that Gidiot has gone AWOL.

[SueEllen]

Yeah, not that constructive.

Remember this was pretty close 52/48. We'd do well not to gloat about the outcome. The most important thing now is for the Tories to get their house in order, pronto, and start laying out a concrete plan in preparation for invoking Article 50 later this year. They can at least set out a negotiating position, in general terms, which would include the treatment of EU citizens within the UK and vice versa. A bold statement needs to be made along these lines, probably an Act of Parliament, to add some certainty to those EU citizens within the UK that are currently worried. Obviously, it's trickier for the Scot and others in his position, but the last thing we want is to pour more petrol on the fire and invoke knee-jerk reactions by other EU countries.

You mean let Boris or Gove become leader and watch the matter implode.

[jamesbrown]

Cya

Yeah, not that constructive.

Remember this was pretty close 52/48. We'd do well not to gloat about the outcome. The most important thing now is for the Tories to get their house in order, pronto, and start laying out a concrete plan in preparation for invoking Article 50 later this year. They can at least set out a negotiating position, in general terms, which would include the treatment of EU citizens within the UK and vice versa. A bold statement needs to be made along these lines, probably an Act of Parliament, to add some certainty to those EU citizens within the UK that are currently worried. Obviously, it's trickier for the Scot and others in his position, but the last thing we want is to pour more petrol on the fire and invoke knee-jerk reactions by other EU countries.

[NotAllThere]

According to this:

... the Vienna Convention, a well-established principle which means the EU would have to honour where people are currently resident. And also, interestingly, forcing people back to their countries would go against the principles of the European Union’s very own Charter of Fundamental Rights.”

[norrahe]

... and CUK members...

The Swiss law incorporating the EU Freedom of Movement law, states that if a resident's home country withdraws from Freedom of Movement, the resident will retain their work permit without needing to reapply. What I've been unable to determine is whether that protection is built into the EU law, or it was added in by the Swiss.

Some people pay good money for that service.

Been looking into that and there is no hard and fast law for expats in European law atm. Lots of presupposition.

Mt N is currently investigating the possibilities of getting an Irish passport, while we may not be married we classify as common law partners and also have a legally recognised partnership (had to when we bought the house here in cloggers), so there is a possibility. If that isn't possible then the next stop will be a Dutch passport.

He's currently looking for work which will now be nigh on impossible for him to get anything as the cloggies will not Dutch any British national due to the uncertainty of their status here.

[WTFH]

There'll be less diving in Premier league matches once Johnny foreigner is set back home...

We'll see a return to good old British clogging and top-class fouling....

So, a bit like German clubs. That might mean Engerland stand a chance in 15-20 years time of producing a world class team.

[NotAllThere]

... makes me wonder who actually voted for brexit? Must be a massive subclass of thicko's like unemployed and general Jeremy Kyle types that voted out....

... and CUK members...

The Swiss law incorporating the EU Freedom of Movement law, states that if a resident's home country withdraws from Freedom of Movement, the resident will retain their work permit without needing to reapply. What I've been unable to determine is whether that protection is built into the EU law, or it was added in by the Swiss.

or risk being stripped and put in jail ....

Some people pay good money for that service.

[AtW]

Your UK citizenship is determined by UK law not German law. So you would lose it.

You'd have to surrender it shortly after you gain German citizenship or risk being stripped and put in jail ....

[AtW]

There'll be less diving in Premier league matches once Johnny foreigner is set back home...

We'll see a return to good old British clogging and top-class fouling....

Footballers won't be happy being paid in rapidly depreciating currency - coming soon USD/EUR denominated contracts, your Sky subscription soon to cost £1000000 per month.

[SueEllen]

Have to say the massive uproar over this in UK re: petitions, new referendum, FB mates full of incredulity, makes me wonder who actually voted for brexit? Must be a massive subclass of thicko's like unemployed and general Jeremy Kyle types that voted out....

In Sunderland during GE turnout is around 45%. In the referendum turn out was 65%.

Where I am GE turnout is around 75% and referendum turnout was 78%.

In other words voters who normally can't be bothered to vote turned out this time.

Some people also thought their vote wouldn't count as however they voted as an individual labour etc get in. However as I live in a constituency that has changed party people tend to vote.

[Old Greg]

And lose your UK citizenship, Germany doesn't allow it except in extraordinary circumstances, and all those will be off limits...

Herr Skootershotte!

Your UK citizenship is determined by UK law not German law. So you would lose it.

[stek]

There'll be less diving in Premier league matches once Johnny foreigner is set back home...

We'll see a return to good old British clogging and top-class fouling....

[unemployed]

Got to be here for a continuous 8 years before that happens. Not happening anytime soon. Basically I'm flocked.

Cya