Reply to: Car parking Penalty in Italy

[MrMarkyMark]

The missus just clocked some of the latter posts

Panic over, she used the "I'm not surprised" line

[MrMarkyMark]

The missus just clocked some of the latter posts

[northernladuk]

Private firm, I'd claim it because it's the provision of parking services is a business to business contract between the parking company and mine. Any "fine" is a contractually agreed penalty for breach of contract, so claim it.

Council / police, I'd not claim it because I know that it's not a valid expense because it's because of an illegal activity.

I know what you are saying and its purely hypothetical cause it will never get that far but I think you are going to struggle to prove its a B2B contract for a host of reasons.

That said it will be just as complicated to prove its not so will probably work.

[greenlake]

Well, as it happens, I've received this Notice from Italian Police through post that I exceeded the free parking time by 3 minutes and that I should pay a penalty of 82 Euros

Next time, get a car that you can get into and out of more easily....

[missinggreenfields]

I've always understood parking/speeding *fines* to be not allowable but missinggreenfields raises an interesting point. If you receive a "fine" from a private parking company, its not a fine at all as you haven't committed any offence. They aren't anything more than an invoice for parking charges (some might say speculative but you can't just ignore them anymore).

If you'd paid for the parking up front for a business trip, it would be an allowable expense (at least for corporation tax purposes), so how is being billed after the fact (regardless of how it came about) any different?

As to whether or not its treated as a BIK or earnings would depend on whether or not you consider the parking charge to have been incurred "wholly, exclusively and necessarily" for business purposes. If the parking was for business then I guess it meets the first two but possibly not the last one.

Personally I'd go along with ASB's approach, stick it through and claim ignorance later.

Private firm, I'd claim it because it's the provision of parking services is a business to business contract between the parking company and mine. Any "fine" is a contractually agreed penalty for breach of contract, so claim it.

Council / police, I'd not claim it because I know that it's not a valid expense because it's because of an illegal activity.

[Drei]

Are you "friends" with FLC?
If not, you are only one PM away, surely

Gee man you started this...

OK last one sorry to hijack this but man the Istraeli police is nice


But the Russians definitely win this:




They even have a damn parade to show them to the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBl-56Scars

[MrMarkyMark]

Looool look what I found:

Are you "friends" with FLC?
If not, you are only one PM away, surely

[Drei]

Nice musings Bro

Looool look what I found, should move to Mexico eh?

Female-only police unit whose officers wore skimpy uniforms and high-heels is disbanded for damaging the force's image - Mirror Online



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mexico-wome...eniors-1554039



http://nypost.com/2016/03/11/mexico-...-police-squad/

[MrMarkyMark]

Oh come on I have seen some very nice UK Police ladies too.


I didn't realised that it was by the Police. I guess just like in the US, wherever you were they must be the ones issuing the tickets. Again parking fine different than other ones but who knows. Next time go on the pepipoo forums and ask.

Nice musings Bro

[Drei]

Oh come on I have seen some very nice UK Police ladies too.


I didn't realised that it was by the Police. I guess just like in the US, wherever you were they must be the ones issuing the tickets. Again parking fine different than other ones but who knows. Next time go on the pepipoo forums and ask.

http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2010...different.html

[MrMarkyMark]

Wouldn't you?

Apologies

Fixed

Oh dear

[FatLazyContractor]

Oh dear

Wouldn't you?

[MrMarkyMark]

I wish it wasn't, but it is indeed from the Police.

Oh dear

[FatLazyContractor]

Sorry I meant yes it isn't a legit business expense but I would also ignore it since it isn't enforced by the Police so it still is a private matter between you and the council or parking firm. Like I said criminal offence vs not.

I wish it wasn't, but it is indeed from the Police.

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

Not allowable. I asked my accountant about putting a (very substantial) fine for speeding through the books, as I was on a business trip. The answer was a categoric "no".

I've always understood parking/speeding *fines* to be not allowable but missinggreenfields raises an interesting point. If you receive a "fine" from a private parking company, its not a fine at all as you haven't committed any offence. They aren't anything more than an invoice for parking charges (some might say speculative but you can't just ignore them anymore).

If you'd paid for the parking up front for a business trip, it would be an allowable expense (at least for corporation tax purposes), so how is being billed after the fact (regardless of how it came about) any different?

As to whether or not its treated as a BIK or earnings would depend on whether or not you consider the parking charge to have been incurred "wholly, exclusively and necessarily" for business purposes. If the parking was for business then I guess it meets the first two but possibly not the last one.

Personally I'd go along with ASB's approach, stick it through and claim ignorance later.