Reply to: Any CUK Brexiters with IQ > 90?

[OwlHoot]

Right leaning Brexiters; their all passion and popular rhetoric approach does well to disguise their limited cranial capacity. Rather like the opening to Arthur C. Clarke 2001 Space Odyssey. ...

Hey, don't knock it - After all that jumping up and down, howling, and waving bones, the monolith was gone the next morning.

So sometimes a bit of passion and rhetoric does actually work!

[darmstadt]

Here's a good article: Le Brexit, un sacrifice pour sauver l’Europe - Libération but it's in furrin language, but here are a couple of choice quotes:

I defend the point of view of the Union, and it is in their interest for you to leave. If you stay, you'll rot our lives like never before.

...

Convince yourself by those brilliant leaders Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, who simply want only good things for Europeans. And we promise, in twenty years we will let you come back.

On our conditions, of course, in a frock and on a leash: a small price to pay to save the European dream.

[bobspud]

Tony Benn was always pro-Out on the grounds that the EU is undemocratic and against Parliamentary sovereignty. Further left, there is a view that the EU is a structure of the capitalist ruling class. They are all good arguments and I used to be in favour of Out myself. I've changed now because I see the crazy right-wingers lining up on the Out side, and I can see that the protections and rights of workers (maternity leave etc.) would be stripped back if we were out of the EU.

If the referendum had been delayed until an alternative constitutional settlement could be defined and presented as an alternative, I might vote Out, but we simply don't have sight of the alternative.

I agree. I wish that there could have been a more coherent bunch that represented our options for leaving. Instead its been hijacked by a bunch of old sods that just seem to be closet racists. But then the clever ones are far too busy with their noses in the trough. The EU was set up as a way to equalise and stabilise the disparate economies of the members. One of the key cases put forward by Mr Kohl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Kohl was that German companies like VW and Audi were greatly disadvantaged when the clients could walk past them and buy a fiat for substantially less than a Golf. getting everyones currencies to a roughly same value solved some of that. However even he says that the intentions of what he helped to set up have been polluted.

The myth was by clubbing together we can all benefit from equalisation. Thats fine apart from there will alway be a poor country on the boarder somewhere and the capitalist mentality is to find those places and extract workers and resources at a cheaper price to improve their own profits.

The situation that we face is like being at a massive table of students in a curry house. Sooner or later someone figures out that if they do a runner then the last one sat there will get the bill. At the moment that looks like poor old France and Germany have been stuck in the corner with nowhere to run. Should we bolt out the door first and leg it down the road. Probably not but despite the rhetoric our influence is not as welcome as our money and we are not in it together.

If England doing a bolt weakens and breaks the EU enough to leave it no choice but to reform then great but I just don't fancy siting at a table with ever increasing bills while the capitalists view their next growth targets in undeveloped countries because they don't really care who buys the next iPod or Audi.

[MarillionFan]

Do you want interest rates to rise when you're trying to get another mortgage and have 20 other houses with interest only mortgages on them?
(only basing this on the stories you tell us)

Yes.

[DodgyAgent]

Dictionary definition of utterly deluded.

From somebody who has fled from tyranny and now who thinks the British are so pathetic that we cannot stand up for ourselves is quite pathetic.

[WTFH]

I'm voting out as I want to see the country fail, interest rates rise, unemployment climb and mass repossessions. Then I'll clean up.

Do you want interest rates to rise when you're trying to get another mortgage and have 20 other houses with interest only mortgages on them?
(only basing this on the stories you tell us)

[MarillionFan]

I'm voting out as I want to see the country fail, interest rates rise, unemployment climb and mass repossessions. Then I'll clean up.

[Mordac]

It will grow in the future, Ukraine will join with 45 mln citizens, Turkey at some point.

For the rich foreigners UK is valueable because holding UK passport makes it possible to live anywhere in EU, conduct business whatever. The attraction of UK outside of EU will drop big time - money flows already threaten to be negative.

The City will be destroyed with transaction tax, UK won't have any say in it - that's guaranteed.

Dictionary definition of utterly deluded.

[AtW]

Its not good enough. Its unraveling.

It will grow in the future, Ukraine will join with 45 mln citizens, Turkey at some point.

For the rich foreigners UK is valueable because holding UK passport makes it possible to live anywhere in EU, conduct business whatever. The attraction of UK outside of EU will drop big time - money flows already threaten to be negative.

The City will be destroyed with transaction tax, UK won't have any say in it - that's guaranteed.

[vetran]

Negative answer was the only possible really, UK is getting a better deal than others already - if that's not good enough then UK should indeed leave.

Personally I think it's a great deal.

Its not good enough. Its unraveling.

[AtW]

The assumption that the EU will negotiate considering we threatened to leave if they didn't & they told us Non & Nein.

Negative answer was the only possible really, UK is getting a better deal than others already - if that's not good enough then UK should indeed leave.

Personally I think it's a great deal.

[vetran]

Amusing a series of opinions of the Zombainers (I want to eat your butter mountain) presented as fact.

An assumption because in 1950 there were 22,426 gaining standard degrees and in 2011 there were 350,800 a fifteen fold increase and that younger people are pro remain (having been brain washed at university & school) who are more likely to received their degrees in their cornflakes that all brexiters are stupid.

The assumption that the EU will negotiate considering we threatened to leave if they didn't & they told us Non & Nein.

[unemployed]

No, that's too smart...

Really I thought it was tulip??

[AtW]

130 is that good?

No, that's too smart...

[unemployed]

130 is that good?