Reply to: Trade war here we come

[BrilloPad]

In fact I need to correct it - being outside of EU would make China a lot less interested in UK as they would be unable to bribe UK Govt to influence EU policy in the interests of China...

So China will invest somewhere else instead, say Poland?

What Chinese are doing is not investment. It is a profitable(for them) deal that ensures the UK will need them for ever.

They can f00k off.

[SueEllen]

It's great, isn't it? They must look back with melancholy to those days of yore when shooting the UKIP fox was more important than the remote possibility of a Tory majority.

Gidiot the political mastermind strikes again....

[jamesbrown]

Yep, which is why they (Tories) should have never run referendum because either result will be terrible for them...

It's great, isn't it? They must look back with melancholy to those days of yore when shooting the UKIP fox was more important than the remote possibility of a Tory majority.

[AtW]

The reality is that we have a local and national legislature that vastly over-reaches itself and uses the EU as cover. On the flip side, the EU does actually suck, so the argument for brexit cuts in both directions.

Yep, which is why they (Tories) should have never run referendum because either result will be terrible for them...

[jamesbrown]

ps. the number of times I've heard people whining about the EU not allowing us to do one thing or the other, and it's generally complete nonsense (i.e. squarely within the remit of local or national UK gov't and nothing to do with the EU). The general public are woefully uninformed about the scope and influence of the EU (in part, from the tabloid press), and this is a battle of appearance more than reality. While I believe the general public are uninformed, they aren't stupid, and I do think that, in the event of brexit, it would be much tougher to create the appearance that all the minutia everyone hates originates in the EU. The reality is that we have a local and national legislature that vastly over-reaches itself and uses the EU as cover. On the flip side, the EU does actually suck, so the argument for brexit cuts in both directions.

[jamesbrown]

I was removing my swear words from my post.

If we brexit successive UK governments will blame the treaties that were negotiated on exit on why they can't do things.

In short they will continue to find a scapegoat rather than admit they are useless. Also because we will still be a member of NATO and the ECHR they will blame things on that.

Oh this the other f*** up I noticed today - Falkland Islands left with no ships.

I have no doubt they'd continue to try, but they'd find it much more difficult. Afterall, they tried this time too, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary, and they've been called out on it, even by normally supportive rags like the Fail (I say, normally, because the Fail aren't very supportive of late, being in favour of brexit).

[AtW]

Being outside of EU would make UK much more easier to influence by China.

In fact I need to correct it - being outside of EU would make China a lot less interested in UK as they would be unable to bribe UK Govt to influence EU policy in the interests of China...

So China will invest somewhere else instead, say Poland?

[AtW]

Fixd. Witness the attempts by the Tories to try and fudge their own inaction by talking about the EU. The reality is that, if we left, successive gov'ts would no longer be able to hide behind the EU, and they all do it (regularly).

British voters don't control the Govt - any Govt, all of them want to make sure of it.

That's why there are very few referendums - the Govt does not want voters to interfere, that should be changed to Swiss system - all important decisions should be voted by the people because scumbags from all parties can only be trusted to look after their own short term interests (and even that do badly).

[AtW]

Yes we know that

You also know about that gravity malarkey, but don't think far ahead that you'd kill yourself by jumping off a big cliff.

[SueEllen]

Fixd.

Witness the attempts by the Tories to try and fudge their own inaction by talking about the EU. The reality is that, if we left, successive gov'ts would no longer be able to hide behind the EU, and they all do it (regularly).

I was removing my swear words from my post.

If we brexit successive UK governments will blame the treaties that were negotiated on exit on why they can't do things.

In short they will continue to find a scapegoat rather than admit they are useless. Also because we will still be a member of NATO and the ECHR they will blame things on that.

Oh this the other f*** up I noticed today - Falkland Islands left with no ships.

[SueEllen]

Yes we know that

No is you (and a few others) who don't seem to understand that.

The point is trade policy is not in the hands of the British Government. Vote for whoever you like but our British government cannot block Chinese goods. Our British government cannot impose tariffs.

Its up to the EU.

Germany, France and a few other EU nations wanted to impose steel tariffs on the Chinese. Gidiot blocked it.

Gidiot's been claimed by some in Europe as working on behalf of the Chinese.

So instead Germany, France and a few others have been giving state aid to their steel industries.

Now the steel unions, steel company management, current backbench Tory MPs, former Tory MPs, MEPs from a lot of parties, opposition MPs from all parties and giants of British industry are accusing Cameron, Gidiot, Javid and Soubry of working on behalf of the Chinese.

Some of the people speaking like Tory MP David Davies are for brexit.

You and a few others need to wake up and stop blaming the EU for the f***ing mess that this government and previous governments have made of the UK. If we are out of the EU these f***wits will still screw up. However this time they will blame the treaties they negotiated on why they f***ed up.

[jamesbrown]

Being outside of EU would make UK much more easier to influence by UK voters.

Fixd.

Witness the attempts by the Tories to try and fudge their own inaction by talking about the EU. The reality is that, if we left, successive gov'ts would no longer be able to hide behind the EU, and they all do it (regularly).

[AtW]

If the UK was outside the EU we could make our own policies.

But UK already forced its own policy on EU by blocking tariffs on steel, do you understand that?

Being outside of EU would make UK much more easier to influence by China.

[Flashman]

If we were outside the EU the rest of the EU countries would have tariffs, and we would have no tariffs plus no steel industry thanks to Gidiot.

When left wing and right wing papers agree the government has been incompetent then the government has been incompetent.

Yes we know that

The point is trade policy is not in the hands of the British Government. Vote for whoever you like but our British government cannot block Chinese goods. Our British government cannot impose tariffs.

Its up to the EU.

[SueEllen]

If the UK was outside the EU we could make our own policies. Maybe follow George Osborne. Maybe not. It would be up to the British people.

Democratically elected representative accountable to the people.

If we were outside the EU the rest of the EU countries would have tariffs, and we would have no tariffs plus no steel industry thanks to Gidiot.

When left wing and right wing papers agree the government has been incompetent then the government has been incompetent.