Reply to: IR35 Direction and Control

[FatLazyContractor]

- How old is the graduate?
- M/F ? (Did not mean MF)
- How desperate are you?

and all such questions...

HTH

PS - Core hours from 8 - 6 ?

[DimPrawn]

Sounds dead easy then - you do the hours you want and get him to do the others.

Grad can do 8 till 10 and 4 till 6, with long lunch break.

You roll in at 10 and piss off home at 4, missing the traffic, no lunch break. Sounds perfect to me.

[TheFaQQer]

It is to cover 8-6 between myself and the boy wonder.

Sounds dead easy then - you do the hours you want and get him to do the others.

[Wilmslow]

OP - so basically client wants you to cover 8-6 between you? i.e. not work 8-6 every day?

Still a bit cheeky if you ask me though. I would hope client would have mentioned something like this at interview time (to be fair, in my experience they usually do).

But even worse if they know expect you to do 8-6 then its time to put your foot down. For some, including me, even with extra money offered it may well be a No thanks anyway if the commute was long.

I do like to see my kids from time to time....

It is to cover 8-6 between myself and the boy wonder.

Although I have no kids, I do like to have some quality of life, and not to get stuck in traffic every working day. As the permies work from home on Fridays it could be a good opportunity to negotiate in my favour.

Accenture are on site and working ridiculous hours with questionable output from the usual not talking to people nicely – most of these guys have kids they hardly see. That is what you get from working with Accenture though I guess, which is why I actively avoid such cultures. Being a permie for a consultancy is the worst thing you can do.

[psychocandy]

OP - so basically client wants you to cover 8-6 between you? i.e. not work 8-6 every day?

Still a bit cheeky if you ask me though. I would hope client would have mentioned something like this at interview time (to be fair, in my experience they usually do).

But even worse if they know expect you to do 8-6 then its time to put your foot down. For some, including me, even with extra money offered it may well be a No thanks anyway if the commute was long.

I do like to see my kids from time to time....

[LondonManc]

Keep doing the hours you are now and assign the Grad to cover the hours you are not there. Simples.

If the grad isn't up to it that's their problem not yours. You are not responsible for staff training or making sure they are up to the job.

Unless he gets it added into his contract/SoW and gets a rate increase.
Should be seeing it as an opportunity to mould a PFY in his image.

[DaveB]

Having a challenge – clientco want me to cover company core hours of 8-6 with a graduate assigned to me just a week ago with absolutely no experience and pumped of the company bravado. Contract is to cover hours anytime I like over the week.

If I worked local I would be more amenable to complying, but, I have a pretty bad commute which is why I start and leave early, as per my entitlement under the contract.

Has anyone successfully challenged direction and control? I am wary about the IR35, but the rate is decent, so if it comes to it I could stay in a hotel all week and just suck it up.

Keep doing the hours you are now and assign the Grad to cover the hours you are not there. Simples.

If the grad isn't up to it that's their problem not yours. You are not responsible for staff training or making sure they are up to the job.

[northernladuk]

No. If you'd read it properly, you'd have seen that the graduate was assigned to him, not the other way round.

Give it 2 weeks and I'll be right.

[LondonManc]

TL; DR but am I right in thinking you are unhappy the graduate has D&C over you and is treating you like an employee?

No. If you'd read it properly, you'd have seen that the graduate was assigned to him, not the other way round.

[DimPrawn]

Has anyone successfully challenged direction and control?.

Of course they have.



Remember a young MF spearheaded such a campaign in the 80's

[SlipTheJab]

Having a challenge – clientco want me to cover company core hours of 8-6 with a graduate assigned to me just a week ago with absolutely no experience and pumped of the company bravado. Contract is to cover hours anytime I like over the week.

If I worked local I would be more amenable to complying, but, I have a pretty bad commute which is why I start and leave early, as per my entitlement under the contract.

Has anyone successfully challenged direction and control? I am wary about the IR35, but the rate is decent, so if it comes to it I could stay in a hotel all week and just suck it up.

Bloomburg?

[DimPrawn]

Long hours, long commute, the rate would have to be spectacular.

[northernladuk]

TL; DR but am I right in thinking you are unhappy the graduate has D&C over you and is treating you like an employee?

[LondonManc]

If your core hours are a 10 hour day, then negotiate a 50% increase to cover the extra effort.

[DimPrawn]

Core hours are 8 to 6?

Is this a change of contract? If so, renegotiate new terms and rates.