Reply to: The trouble with Wind Turbines

[WTFH]

Cool. So all we need is to flood half the country and we get 'renewable' energy!

<cough>Scotland </cough>

Great idea, somewhere with hills so we can flood it then set up hydro-electric power stations.

[pjclarke]

Wind turbines are about as meaningful as the Paris COP21 "accord"

The deal in Paris says we all must reduce our emissions by 30% by the year 2050! The less developed world says the rich must do the lions share of this. So figure on at the very least ~1 day out of every 3 from now on must result in NO CO2 emissions. That means no transportation other than shanks mare or your bicycle, no cooking with gas, on the barbie, or with a wood stove, almost no electricity, and myriad other inconveniences. You are expected to give up more if you are one of the billion or so people living in a rich countries less if you are one of the other 6 billion people living in a poor countries.

No doubt it is all part of being a 'personality' however your link is to a document from the Migration Advisory Committee, not anything to do with Paris. I tracked down the words, though, to Russ George, illegal ocean polluter and self-styled planetary saviour.

He is wrong of course, decarbonising the energy and transport systems is a large scale challenge, but no more so than the change fromhorse drawn transport in 1915 to the nuclear age in 1950 ....

And his favoured solution, ocean fertilisation with iron, may have a part to play but is untested, and even on the most favourable assumptions, will remove about 8% of annual CO2 emissions. There are proven technologies - kelp farms, biochar, silicate rocks, that are far more efficient.

COP21: The global warming targets agreed in Paris will drive a carbon-capture revolution | Voices | The Independent

[MrMarkyMark]

FTFY

So instead of buying oil from Iraq or Saudi we buy gas from Iran, until the US fall out with them and send the drones in.


Cool.

[DimPrawn]

No no, Germany got so much power from RENEWABLE sources - wind and solar.

The only thing that's needed is cheap gas and Iran will deliver it soon - this would be used for backup power stations to kick in when wind/Sun out.

Cars will be replaced with electric, very soon internal combustion engine will be found only in museums...

So instead of buying oil from Iraq or Saudi we buy gas from Iran and suddenly the planet is saved.

Cool.

[VectraMan]

Thought that the batteries for the electric motors were extremely un-green and require replacing every 10 years?

Human rights organisation Amnesty has accused Apple, Samsung and Sony, among others, of failing to do basic checks to ensure minerals used in their products are not mined by children.
In a report into cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, it found children as young as seven working in dangerous conditions.
Cobalt is a a vital component of lithium-ion batteries.

Apple, Samsung and Sony face child labour claims - BBC News

A big increase in battery demand will be great for the children of the DRC. But as long as it's green.

[NigelJK]

Thought that the batteries for the electric motors were extremely un-green and require replacing every 10 years?
What's required is a full life cycle analysis, oh wait a minute aren't Jag the only ones to do this.

For the record my big jag (XJ8 4.2) is more economical than the small one (2.5 V6 X-Type).

[rl4engc]

very soon internal combustion engine will be found only in museums...

IC isn't going anywhere, it will just be adapted for using 'fuel from sunlight' alcohol based liquid fuels.

Can you honestly see HGV's, tractors, generators, ships all switching to battery power? As for cars there's too much existing infrastructure and vested interest from the OilCo's to switch to battery.

[AtW]

Tar Sands? Fracking? The Saudis and their "friends" are flooding the market with oil for this very reason.

No no, Germany got so much power from RENEWABLE sources - wind and solar.

The only thing that's needed is cheap gas and Iran will deliver it soon - this would be used for backup power stations to kick in when wind/Sun out.

Cars will be replaced with electric, very soon internal combustion engine will be found only in museums...

[scooterscot]

<cough>Scotland </cough>

Flooding a country with hills and mountains? It'll never happen.

[SueEllen]

Cool. So all we need is to flood half the country and we get 'renewable' energy!

<cough>Scotland </cough>

[SpontaneousOrder]

Cool. So all we need is to flood half the country and we get 'renewable' energy!

[pjclarke]

Not only was December 2015 the UK’s wettest month on record, but it was also exceptionally stormy. Bad news for many, but great news for the country’s wind power and hydro generators.

In fact, storms Desmond, Eva and Frank meant that throughout December, more than 19% of Great Britain’s (not the UK’s – as Northern Ireland is not included in the underlying data) electrical energy came from wind, solar and hydro combined. That’s the highest ever figure for a calendar month.

It was an exceptional end to an unusual year that saw several new records set within Britain’s power sector as the transition from dirty to clean energy continued

https://theconversation.com/six-ener...ast-year-52784

[SueEllen]

Germany now have days when they get over 50% of power from renewable sources, last summer they had 78% mark -

Germany Just Got 78 Percent Of Its Electricity From Renewable Sources | ThinkProgress

The world would be much nicer, safer place without scumbags in countries with lots of oil that get financed by the West.

And yes it may also save the World, which would be nice.

Tar Sands? Fracking?

The Saudis and their "friends" are flooding the market with oil for this very reason.

[AtW]

It's all a money making scam to pay for the alarmist warmists and their junk science.
I wish there were a way we could make a stand against the money grab, but can't see a way to do that.

Germany now have days when they get over 50% of power from renewable sources, last summer they had 78% mark -

Germany Just Got 78 Percent Of Its Electricity From Renewable Sources | ThinkProgress

The world would be much nicer, safer place without scumbags in countries with lots of oil that get financed by the West.

And yes it may also save the World, which would be nice.

[Troll]

You may be missing the big picture

RenewableUK | Press Releases - Record-breaking January for wind energy

Or was it not cold last January?

National Grid statistics provided by independent data analysts EnAppSys

Hmmm

Record-breaking January for wind energy
The weekly record was set during 5th-11th January.

For much of the month, the UK was under the influence of a westerly weather type, with a sequence of Atlantic depressions tracking across the country. A sequence of particularly deep lows between the 9th and 15th brought some very stormy conditions to Scotland, especially the Western and Northern Isles, as well as plenty of rainfall. The first half of January was very mild,

From the EnAppSys doc

For Q1 2015
The quarter saw high levels of generation from coal fired plants typically
generating at the limits of availability
This coupled with levels of nuclear fleet generation up 30% from the previous quarter
In the quarter, the coal fleet provided 33% of the overall generation
gas plants providing 23%
nuclear plants 20%
wind farms 12%
interconnectors 5%
biomass 4%
Electrical demand was low at the beginning of the quarter as the holiday period reduced the need to generate electricity