Reply to: Should be interesting to see how this plays out

[original PM]

Does that work the other way around though - if they don't prevent you entering it's implied consent?

(still talking contracting here)

I believe it does - if they do not stop you and you do the work implication is contract is agreed.

I suppose though one party has always issued the contract and therefore they are 'deemed' to have accepted it as well.

bit of a grey area but pretty sure if it gets to court then there is implied consent if both parties 'worked' during the period the contract runs for.

[EternalOptimist]

What about gays? It's unfair to condone a bird doing that, but get all shirty when a guy tries it.

In fact if you did, they could sue you for discrimination

I wouldn't take them to court or ruin their lives. apart from applying a bit of swede, maybe. If they were weedy like

[d000hg]

Interesting that - from a contractor perspective even if you do not sign the contract but you turn up and do the work there is an implicit assumption you have agreed to the contract.

Does that work the other way around though - if they don't prevent you entering it's implied consent?

(still talking contracting here)

[vetran]

What about gays? It's unfair to condone a bird doing that, but get all shirty when a guy tries it.

In fact if you did, they could sue you for discrimination

you just look at them & say "sorry I'm straight" they tend to have a good idea who is straight anyway.

[OwlHoot]

I've had me bum pinched in pubs and clubs by birds, had me crotch grabbed a few times. I never wanted to take any of them to court or ruin their lives

What about gays? It's unfair to condone a bird doing that, but get all shirty when a guy tries it.

In fact if you did, they could sue you for discrimination

[EternalOptimist]

Consent can turn to non-consent in the blink of an eye. It is impossible to protect yourself against that, there has to be a reasonable interpretation applied
of course, a lot of the hysteria around this is not reasonable

I've had me bum pinched in pubs and clubs by birds, had me crotch grabbed a few times. I never wanted to take any of them to court or ruin their lives

[original PM]

It means that simply going along with it does not imply consent. A controversial area full of grey areas in my view.

Interesting that - from a contractor perspective even if you do not sign the contract but you turn up and do the work there is an implicit assumption you have agreed to the contract.

But stepping back a bit - if I recall the dim and distant paste where 1 night stands were a thing - generally both parties knew when going home together what the bobby moore was - mainly because you had probably spent an hour in the club swapping spit...

but I guess times do change!

[d000hg]

no means no, even if you say it next morning?

It means that simply going along with it does not imply consent. A controversial area full of grey areas in my view.

[vetran]

I think it is mainly because at the time they enjoy it - in the morning they regret it but as they have not been bought up to understand actions have consequences they decide they did not want to do it retrospectively so as to appease the guilt they feel from a repressive upbringing.

e.g. they are still acting like children.

In which case they need education. I can sort of understand being afraid if you have a large man on top of you but a small woman?

[original PM]

I think we need to explain how it looks if you declare it in the morning.

I'm never sure why people don't say anything at the time, if you are physically afraid then it makes sense to keep quiet but that doesn't seem to be the case in many of these situations.

I think it is mainly because at the time they enjoy it - in the morning they regret it but as they have not been bought up to understand actions have consequences they decide they did not want to do it retrospectively so as to appease the guilt they feel from a repressive upbringing.

e.g. they are still acting like children.

[vetran]

Oxford's Annie Teriba who sexually assaulted two women 'painting herself as a victim' | Daily Mail Online

Women 'sexually assaulted' by Oxford gay rights champion say she is painting herself as a victim
Annie Teriba, 20, confessed she had sexually assaulted two women
She said she had 'failed to properly establish consent' before having sex
Victims claimed Miss Teriba had been reluctant to use the word ‘rape’ in her statement and they agreed to leave it out

hmmm

[vetran]

apparently everything means whatever you want it to mean if you suddenly decide to change your mind...

it is just typical of todays youth/hipster generation

"Although I did it at the time I now feel it was a bad idea and it is not fair that I have to accept responsibility for my decisions"

fookin useless cnuts

I think we need to explain how it looks if you declare it in the morning.

I'm never sure why people don't say anything at the time, if you are physically afraid then it makes sense to keep quiet but that doesn't seem to be the case in many of these situations.

[original PM]

no means no, even if you say it next morning?

apparently everything means whatever you want it to mean if you suddenly decide to change your mind...

it is just typical of todays youth/hipster generation

"Although I did it at the time I now feel it was a bad idea and it is not fair that I have to accept responsibility for my decisions"

fookin useless cnuts

[vetran]

Wtf does that actually mean?

How can you later inform someone it was not consensual - would it not have been better (maybe when she was sticking her fist up your ar$e maybe) to possible say that maybe you are not all that up for it.

Sorry but this is almost like watching children telling tales on each other - you sort of going along with it and then when it is convenient you tell teacher... even though at the time you made no complaint

this is fookin bs and needs to be stamped on hard.

no means no, even if you say it next morning?

[original PM]

blah

“At this year’s NUS black students’ conference, I had sex with someone. The other party later informed me that the sex was not consensual. I failed to properly establish consent before every act. I apologise sincerely and profoundly for my actions.

blah

Wtf does that actually mean?

How can you later inform someone it was not consensual - would it not have been better (maybe when she was sticking her fist up your ar$e maybe) to possible say that maybe you are not all that up for it.

Sorry but this is almost like watching children telling tales on each other - you sort of going along with it and then when it is convenient you tell teacher... even though at the time you made no complaint

this is fookin bs and needs to be stamped on hard.