Reply to: Champion of small businesses

[MicrosoftBob]

Champion of making businesses smaller surely

[Jog On]

So is this the step before making all self employed/contractors/freelancers etc into PAYE permies? Miliband had the same harebrained ideas.

Doesn't matter though, doubt Labour will return to power for decades to come, and emigration is also always an option. The greater risk is Osborne co-opting bad ideas.

This a risk, he's got 4 years to do it as well. Doubt he'll go after the Amazons/Google/Starbucks etc. But if he wants to compete with New Old labour he might have to do something about it...

If Jez & Co can get the Tories to make some people based policies just to compete that's a win in my book...

[DodgyAgent]

You're a complete idiot if that's what you took from what I wrote. There are startups based on sound business ideas and a great product. And there are startups who only exist due to attracting seed funding, run at a loss for years while hiring hipsters in some silly swanky office, and then collapse leaving nothing behind.

To illustrate what I mean along comes this cliche about setting up business. Are you really so stupid as to think that businesses are set up to fail like this? Do you think people who invest are so stupid as to give their hard earned money away on investments that are never going to work?

This sweeping cliche offers neither facts nor any meaningful insight into the world of business. All it does is show us what an idiot you are.

[DodgyAgent]

When every argument you make ends up with you telling me what it is I think, and getting it wrong, what does that say about how seriously your ideas can be taken?

Nowhere have I said we should stop people getting rich, or that being rich is bad, or that taxes should be much higher.

The reason why I make these sweeping assumptions is because your views (if you can call them that) are expressed in the form of wishy washy cliches that show nothing other than a lack of conviction, an inability to think anything through or argue a point.

[NotAllThere]

benefits discourage work . Face it. My friend is on JSA - he says he wont start working untill it ends... Its pennies, i know , but still

Psychocandy has friends?

[Zero Liability]

So is this the step before making all self employed/contractors/freelancers etc into PAYE permies? Miliband had the same harebrained ideas.

Doesn't matter though, doubt Labour will return to power for decades to come, and emigration is also always an option. The greater risk is Osborne co-opting bad ideas.

[d000hg]

benefits discourage work . Face it. My friend is on JSA - he says he wont start working untill it ends... Its pennies, i know , but still

Well that one friend is clearly descriptive of tens of millions of people. I bet he votes Labour - but wait we don't have a Labour government. How confusing.

[diseasex]

Ah yes. The "everyone on benefits is a sky-watching junkie slob" argument. Similar techniques are used in wars and purges to dehumanise the enemy. Jews would be familiar with it, for example.

benefits discourage work . Face it. My friend is on JSA - he says he wont start working untill it ends... Its pennies, i know , but still

[d000hg]

Ah yes. The "everyone on benefits is a sky-watching junkie slob" argument. Similar techniques are used in wars and purges to dehumanise the enemy. Jews would be familiar with it, for example.

Of course "decent people" would by the slightest of coincidences just happen to be people like you?

[diseasex]

When every argument you make ends up with you telling me what it is I think, and getting it wrong, what does that say about how seriously your ideas can be taken?

Nowhere have I said we should stop people getting rich, or that being rich is bad, or that taxes should be much higher.

When everyone gets the same, everyone gets nothing.
People are not equal and will never be. There are drunks, junkies etc, and we are subsidising them . Now when idiots like Corbyn starts to rule that junkies get more. And decent people less.

[d000hg]

What chance does the economy have of doing well when people like you and Corbyn do your utmost to prevent people from becoming rich.

When every argument you make ends up with you telling me what it is I think, and getting it wrong, what does that say about how seriously your ideas can be taken?

Nowhere have I said we should stop people getting rich, or that being rich is bad, or that taxes should be much higher.

[d000hg]

doogh, you're a complete idiot. Every thriving company was a startup once.

You're a complete idiot if that's what you took from what I wrote. There are startups based on sound business ideas and a great product. And there are startups who only exist due to attracting seed funding, run at a loss for years while hiring hipsters in some silly swanky office, and then collapse leaving nothing behind.

[DodgyAgent]

Yes that's me, the rest are busy with processing and paying my invoices

[DodgyAgent]

Yeah, and all those tech startups are such a boon to the economy, spending other people's money and 9 times out of ten going bust.

If you want to talk about startups and entrepreneurs then maybe a thread about self-employment isn't the best place. Because that's what I was talking about.

The thread was talking about self employment AND running a business. There is a huge difference between the two. One is vital to the well being of the economy the other is a means of employment for people who work on their own.

If nine out of ten businesses fail then so what? Do we just stop investing in business? It does not seem to occur to you just how hard it is to set up and run a successful business. Nor does it occur to you that the entire economy depends on these few and far between successes to employ people and keep your leftie friends with their entitlements.

Do you really think that of the very few that actually make it that they are going to be happy giving away over 60% (closer to 70% if you include NI) to other people to p*ss up the wall?

It seems Corbyn does not know the difference between being self employed and running a business. What chance does the economy have of doing well when people like you and Corbyn do your utmost to prevent people from becoming rich.

Envy is the most destructive of all the seven sins

[diseasex]

Is this you?

Yes that's me, the rest are busy with processing and paying my invoices