Reply to: Has contracting made you lose perspective on money?

[psychocandy]

I tell myself almost every day how lucky I am.

But then GFP says, "no, you work for it, it's not luck"

Depends on your POV I suppose.

Last month when I went to the US, ClientCo paid for cattle class and this time MyCo decided to splash an extra $2k on upgrades. Yes, I'm lucky I can do that.

I think that sometimes, yes, I do lose sight of the value of money, as I occasionally buy expensive tulip just because I can, whereas I always turn the shampoo bottle upsidedown to squeeze the last out of it. Then I go to the pub and spend £50. It's weird I guess.

Hate it when people call me lucky. Got friends from school who couldnt be arsed to go to college - preferred dead end job so they had plenty of beer money at the time. (whereas I was on a student grant for 3 years).

These same friends now moan if they've got to work more than 10 min bus ride from home.

Now Im earning 5x what they do, when Im traveling 90 mins to client every day Im apparently LUCKY FFS!

(Not that they know how much I earn but, in their head, IT pays loads anyway).

[MarillionFan]

And there you go.

It is sexist, and it is as sexist as TM's comment is racist. But not requiring any action. However, your contention that it's unserious and therefore... is disingenuous, sexist bollocks. As well as being a rather nasty personal attack.

You big girls blouse.

[NotAllThere]

...

(Waits for SpontaneousOrder to appear to wonder how on earth the comment could be construed as sexist.)

It's not ...

And there you go.

It is sexist, and it is as sexist as TM's comment is racist. But not requiring any action. However, your contention that it's unserious and therefore...

Now, there is real sexism in the world. But your incessant crusade against imagined sexism only tells me that you have some kind of inferiority complex. If you didn't you wouldn't be wasting your time discrediting victims of real sexism in some attempt to add some sense of substance to your life.

Your own personal issues are your own business. But you hurt real victims and I think it's shameful.

is disingenuous, sexist bollocks. As well as being a rather nasty personal attack.

[TestMangler]

It's not : )

I mean, it *could* be; but it's much more likely that he's simply referring to the common observation that while men are more likely to come to blows, or more often to simply part ways over a disagreement and be done with it - women are far more likely to engage in a long lasting and bitter feud. A cold war of sorts.

Now *if* that is meant as a derogatory observation because men are being likened to women - and that such a likening is to imply inherent inferiority unrelated to the merits of that behaviour - then that's sexist.

If, on the other much more typical hand, the remark has been made in order to highlight the participant's parts in a behaviour that men (and many women) generally find far less noble, then it is in no way sexist.

By your reasoning (assuming you're not aiming for the first example) when guys joke about their mates' wives being diddled, while they're away on contract, by someone with a stereotypically black man's name (Desmond, Tyrone, whatever...) they would be being racist - when in fact they are alluding the widely shared observation that black men often tend to be packing more in the trouser department.


Now, there is real sexism in the world. But your incessant crusade against imagined sexism only tells me that you have some kind of inferiority complex. If you didn't you wouldn't be wasting your time discrediting victims of real sexism in some attempt to add some sense of substance to your life.

Your own personal issues are your own business. But you hurt real victims and I think it's shameful.

A woman I know met a black gentleman in a nightclub. When they got back to her place, she asked him if he was going to prove that 'what they say about black guys' is true.

He stabbed her and stole her handbag.

[SpontaneousOrder]

1) It's handbags.
2) There's a smiley for it
3) Your comment is sexist.

Apart from that, carry on as you were

(Waits for SpontaneousOrder to appear to wonder how on earth the comment could be construed as sexist.)

It's not : )

I mean, it *could* be; but it's much more likely that he's simply referring to the common observation that while men are more likely to come to blows, or more often to simply part ways over a disagreement and be done with it - women are far more likely to engage in a long lasting and bitter feud. A cold war of sorts.

Now *if* that is meant as a derogatory observation because men are being likened to women - and that such a likening is to imply inherent inferiority unrelated to the merits of that behaviour - then that's sexist.

If, on the other much more typical hand, the remark has been made in order to highlight the participant's parts in a behaviour that men (and many women) generally find far less noble, then it is in no way sexist.

By your reasoning (assuming you're not aiming for the first example) when guys joke about their mates' wives being diddled, while they're away on contract, by someone with a stereotypically black man's name (Desmond, Tyrone, whatever...) they would be being racist - when in fact they are alluding the widely shared observation that black men often tend to be packing more in the trouser department.


Now, there is real sexism in the world. But your incessant crusade against imagined sexism only tells me that you have some kind of inferiority complex. If you didn't you wouldn't be wasting your time discrediting victims of real sexism in some attempt to add some sense of substance to your life.

Your own personal issues are your own business. But you hurt real victims and I think it's shameful.

[SueEllen]

You are right I withdraw my comment

Bloody politician

[eddie1507]

You are right I withdraw my comment

[mudskipper]

Hang bags at the ready ladies

1) It's handbags.
2) There's a smiley for it
3) Your comment is sexist.

Apart from that, carry on as you were

(Waits for SpontaneousOrder to appear to wonder how on earth the comment could be construed as sexist.)

[eddie1507]

Hang bags at the ready ladies

[MarillionFan]

Did the school run this morning, stayed and chatted with a few of the yummy mummy's and one got a phone call from her partner, seems it was pay day and they were excited as this months wages were a little higher than they expected, due to her having no boundaries it came out quite quickly how much was in, and I worked out the total was less than two days billing, not quite sure what the extra was but would have probably been an hours work.

I am now sat here in a huff that I am getting an extra 4 days billing because ClientCo wants me to start Tuesday rather than a week later.

Now when it comes to the kids, they don't see that I earn all this money, they know they have everything the need, but not everything they want, so I try to install the value of things on them at an early age, I don't flash the cash around, my car is getting more and more battered, I give to charity where I can, I don't have designer clothes (although gadgets are another thing), if there is something I want I go and buy it without questioning the price, I treat myself to nice meals and good wine.

But do I truly appreciate how lucky were are as contractors?

Look at me, fawn.
Yummy mummies, fawn.
They don't earn much, look down
Give to charity, fawn
Gadgets, fawn
Extra days, banana
Buy what I want,gush
I didn't start this, lie.

[TykeMerc]

I don't think I've lost perspective on money as a contractor, I'm the same stingy Yorkshireman I've always been!

[SimonMac]

Hang on. Up yours you moronic gobtulipe. You started this thread, banging on about showing off to the school run mums about how much you earn.

And what point did I say I was showing off?

In fact have a trawl through all my posts and you'll see I never give figures as to what I earn as a daily rate, what I have in savings, what my mortgage is, how much my car is worth. Only thing I talk about is my pension but again no specific amounts are ever given.

Unlike you dumbass, I listen a lot more than I talk, its something you should consider doing yourself!

[MarillionFan]

You'll find it was MF that turned it into a bragging tread, and we all know he is a fantasist anyway

Actually, while we're at it, I also have more marbles.

[MarillionFan]

You'll find it was MF that turned it into a bragging tread, and we all know he is a fantasist anyway

Hang on. Up yours you moronic gobtulipe. You started this thread, banging on about showing off to the school run mums about how much you earn.

[tarbera]

Working very late one night in the city, I had to spend £11.50 on a gourmet burger. Took me months to get over it.

Was it up you arse ?