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[BlasterBates]

A bail out is a loan, so we do get the money back unless they do a total default, which is unlikely. Greece might default but it's a lot more unlikely than defaulting on private debt, which is what will probably happen.

On the whole IMF and inter-governmental loans don't get written off in the same way that normal bonds do, for obvious reasons, i.e. you need them from time to time to save your bacon.

[MicrosoftBob]

The SNP can dress this up all they want, they have failed in their main objective which was to prop up a labour government. That was all the SNP support would say to you over the last few months.

Salmond also made a complete fook up saying he would write labour's budget, thanks Alex, I'm sure that pushed quite a few floating voters to the conservatives. He is only going to get worse for this behaviour.

This is a high water mark for the SNP, it will be down hill for the next decade.

But they wanted a Tory majority, it plays into their teenage style lets play the victim theatricals

[SueEllen]

FTFY

And you think DC (without LibDem tulip hanging off his arsehole) is cretin enough to "donate" for the "cause" ?

Or are you already in Scottish Utopia?

Ireland we bailed out because lots of UK businesses had trade and other connections with Ireland. For example quite a few of the agents I've worked for the past few years have some of their operations based in Ireland. Ireland also wasn't a complete basket case i.e. their citizens do actually pay their taxes.

Greece the coalition government didn't want to give them money via the EU so said "No". However we gave them money by the IMF as we contribute to it.

This is why I said directly and indirectly.

In the case of Scotland if they do an Ireland rather than a Greece we will bail them out.

[BlasterBates]

. The oil price has risen to $67 a barrel since then although independence / FFR wasn't based on the oil price.

You mean that rather small dead cat bounce.

[Batcher]

It will be interesting to see how the SNP are going to square the circle.

http://http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/11/scotland-public-spending-deficit-increase-falling-oil-revenues

That was from a couple of month ago when an election was being fought. The oil price has risen to $67 a barrel since then although independence / FFR wasn't based on the oil price.

Just about every country runs a deficit at the moment. It's all about being able to grow the economy to reduce the deficit and pay off as much as the debt as possible. The SNP plan is to take longer to reduce the deficit to avoid so much austerity at once.

IDS has been re-installed as DWP minister but he was kept out of the spotlight during the GE. His policies are responsible for a lot of pain/suicides all over the country.

[BlasterBates]

It will be interesting to see how the SNP are going to square the circle.

http://http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/11/scotland-public-spending-deficit-increase-falling-oil-revenues

[Batcher]

The SNP can dress this up all they want, they have failed in their main objective which was to prop up a labour government. That was all the SNP support would say to you over the last few months.

Salmond also made a complete fook up saying he would write labour's budget, thanks Alex, I'm sure that pushed quite a few floating voters to the conservatives. He is only going to get worse for this behaviour.

This is a high water mark for the SNP, it will be down hill for the next decade.

Just to be pedantic for a moment. The SNP didn't fail in their main objective, unless you think returning 56 of 59 MPs is failure? The Labour party failed in England so that's why we don't have a progressive government. I think a lot of this was down to Miliband saying he wouldn't work with the SNP so a lot of their support down south either didn't vote or voted for UKIP/Green.

Alex Salmond's joke was clearly that. It's obvious to anyone who has watched the video or seen him speak at any events like that. He will be a thorn in the side of Westminster and I'm sure you would rather he hadn't been elected.

We got our Plan B - the MSM even tried to say before the election that Nicola would prefer a Tory government, going as far as to fabricate a conversation between her and the French ambassador. If Cameron doesn't now give us Devo Max as promised in the Vow then another referendum will be just around the corner.

[TestMangler]

The SNP can dress this up all they want, they have failed in their main objective which was to prop up a labour government. That was all the SNP support would say to you over the last few months.

Salmond also made a complete fook up saying he would write labour's budget, thanks Alex, I'm sure that pushed quite a few floating voters to the conservatives. He is only going to get worse for this behaviour.

This is a high water mark for the SNP, it will be down hill for the next decade.

I would expect that having all bar three of the parliamentary seats available to them would be a high water mark for any party.

You putting a bet on the SNP losing seats in 2016 Scottish Election then ?

[TestMangler]

There is nothing inaccurate about it, he flew up that week, went for some drinks in some bars in Glasgow and when he got back he said it was all too socialist for him and had decided to remain on the fence.

Yep, I can imagine him deciding after a couple of pints in a pub that a country that predominantly voted Labour for more than 50 years was too socialist.

[minestrone]

The SNP can dress this up all they want, they have failed in their main objective which was to prop up a labour government. That was all the SNP support would say to you over the last few months.

Salmond also made a complete fook up saying he would write labour's budget, thanks Alex, I'm sure that pushed quite a few floating voters to the conservatives. He is only going to get worse for this behaviour.

This is a high water mark for the SNP, it will be down hill for the next decade.

[FatLazyContractor]

Our economy was a mess when we were made to help Ireland and Greece - so try again.

FTFY

And you think DC (without LibDem tulip hanging off his arsehole) is cretin enough to "donate" for the "cause" ?

Or are you already in Scottish Utopia?

[Batcher]

So, are you suggesting the media has no effect on how people vote ?

It wasn't just the media. You do realise, don't you, that (as one example) 100 MPs were sent up here at your expense, a few days before.

Imagine what would have happened at the GE last week if every TV channel and every newspaper in the country bar one weekly, had been bombing England with 'Vote labour' propaganda. Do you think the Tories would still have got in ?

Not forgetting the Better Together campaign, funded by Tories and fronted by Labour, told pensioners on the doorstep and by phone that their pensions would stop if independence was won.

One of the reasons Labour has been reduced to the level of a Tory in Scotland.

[vetran]

From what I've been told on here, rUK had everything to gain from breaking up the union, so in the long term, you'd be much better off. Look at all the subsidies to Scotland you wouldn't have to pay out.

well if you shut up and paid your taxes like good boys and didn't ask for extra because you are special we would want you.

You are mistaking exasperation for logic..

[minestrone]

And you accused me of making an inaccurate statement

There is nothing inaccurate about it, he flew up that week, went for some drinks in some bars in Glasgow and when he got back he said it was all too socialist for him and had decided to remain on the fence.

[TestMangler]

100 MPs on expense accounts is a lot cheaper than breaking up the Union.

Remind me how much did we spend on your parliament? oh yes £414 + £72 million a year.


Well they tried but UKIP did rather well, I think they realised upsetting the Tories was a bad idea.

From what I've been told on here, rUK had everything to gain from breaking up the union, so in the long term, you'd be much better off. Look at all the subsidies to Scotland you wouldn't have to pay out.