Reply to: Lets talk about sex baby

[vetran]

Its not 5 year olds! Its Year 5. 9/10 yr olds.
Also you are saying its ok to talk about a man and woman being in love and being married but not if its same sex? That kind of viewpoint is exactly why children become bigots.

It is 5 year olds. There are a number of stories running about Sex Education. The recommendations include 5 year olds, specifically associated with homophobia.

I'm quite happy to talk about love and marriage of all types I just don't think 5 is the right age to discuss sex and lifestyles.

[Underscore Pt2]

I have no problem with someone saying 'Uncle Mike lives with his friend John' to a five year old.

I'm not so keen on "Uncle Mike lives with his Gay boyfriend John who he loves very much. And there is nothing wrong with that are you some kind of bigot?'. to a five year old.


A five year old is quite happy with the first explanation. A ten year old would get the first half of the second explanation.the second half can be saved for militants.

Uncle Mike takes his willy and shoves it in X the risks of which are ... can be saved for 12 year olds. As can Auntie Jayne likes XXX the risks of which are....


I would like to see abstinence taught as well.

Its not 5 year olds! Its Year 5. 9/10 yr olds.
Also you are saying its ok to talk about a man and woman being in love and being married but not if its same sex? That kind of viewpoint is exactly why children become bigots.

[vetran]

ofcourse they should... its normal human bevaviour. Wow have we stepped back into the dark ages.

I have no problem with someone saying 'Uncle Mike lives with his friend John' to a five year old.

I'm not so keen on "Uncle Mike lives with his Gay boyfriend John who he loves very much. And there is nothing wrong with that are you some kind of bigot?'. to a five year old.


A five year old is quite happy with the first explanation. A ten year old would get the first half of the second explanation.the second half can be saved for militants.

Uncle Mike takes his willy and shoves it in X the risks of which are ... can be saved for 12 year olds. As can Auntie Jayne likes XXX the risks of which are....


I would like to see abstinence taught as well.

[Underscore Pt2]

FTFY

ofcourse they should... its normal human bevaviour. Wow have we stepped back into the dark ages.

[original PM]

FTFY

Wvs

[vetran]

Is this your thoughts? Young Primary school Children should not be taught about sexual preferences?

FTFY

[vetran]

Of course its up to the state. Its the state that pays for the lack of education. 9/10 yr olds talk about sex etc in the playground all the time. If they arent told the facts they can end up getting into a lot of difficult situations.

I can't believe im reading this stuff on here. Loads of parents hardly even speak to their kids!

It's the state that funds the teenage mothers so its a better career move to get pregnant than go to school.

It's the state that excludes the parents from their children's contraception decisions despite the fact in many cases a crime is being committed.

[Underscore Pt2]

There are two things here

1) teaching children about the biological aspects of reproduction - that is fine and should be taught at schools

2) Teaching children about the various different sexual preferences/ genders etc is not to be taught to primary school kids.

Is this your thoughts? Children should not be taught about sexual preferences?

[Underscore Pt2]

You've made a lot of assumptions there about what others think and how they deal with sex in their household.

It is not up to the State to do this, it is up to parents to do it. And getting the State to do it introduces ideology which seeks to be non-judgmental about life choices. Well, life choices have consequences. I didn't see jack-sh** in the video I referred to about the consequences (financially, psychologically, etc.) of starting sex too young.

And because others cannot deal with giving their children values and teaching them the birds and bees does not mean that me and mine have to be strapped in to go along with the state- (and Quango-) sanctioned version of it. There is a lot of money in sex ed, and a lot of ideology in it too, that goes way beyond the birds and bees.

Of course its up to the state. Its the state that pays for the lack of education. 9/10 yr olds talk about sex etc in the playground all the time. If they arent told the facts they can end up getting into a lot of difficult situations.

I can't believe im reading this stuff on here. Loads of parents hardly even speak to their kids!

[NotAllThere]

NickyBoy presents the well-worn spurious argument of "If you're against this, then you're just a prude", failing to understand that it's possible to be not prudish while still thinking sex education should be age appropriate, and not all kids mature at the same time.

The answer to teen pregnancy for the past thirty years or so of governments of all political hues is "More sex education". And it hasn't made it better. In the Netherlands, they have comprehensive sex education, but don't have the same teen pregnancy problems. Same here in Switzerland. In my daughters and sons schools (they're all past school age now) over a twelve year period, there were exactly zero teen parents. There may have been the odd abortion, but certainly none that were known about in my kids' classes.

Schools do have a role in sex education, and relationship lessons are a good thing. What isn't good is the non-condemnation of stupid kids who get themselves/their girlfriends up the duff.

[EternalOptimist]

If some bloke had told my daughter he was going to educate her in the ways of the birds and bees , I would have decked him.
just because he is a teacher, does that make it all suddenly safe ??
Likewise with some bird.

Theres's loads of pervs working in schools or singing in rock and roll bands, and it's up to the parent to bring their kids up safely.

The state should provide back up, not take over the role of parent

[original PM]

There are two things here

1) teaching children about the biological aspects of reproduction - that is fine and should be taught at schools

2) Teaching children about the various different sexual preferences/ genders etc is not to be taught to primary school kids.

[vetran]

With children as young as 11 getting pregnant in the UK, opposing explicit sex education for 5 year olds bears little relevance.

I failed to read the story and therefore do not know what I'm talking about!

FTFY

[jjdarg]

With children as young as 11 getting pregnant in the UK, opposing sex education at ages 9/10 is foolish to say the least.

To put it plainly, some of our children are having sex at 10. Your 10 year old may have already had sex. This is a hard fact of reality. Your inability to deal with that thought doesn't make it less likely to have happened. Thinking your kid 'isn't like that' doesn't make it less likely to have happened.

Just teaching them that this is too young requires first teaching them, quite clearly, what sex is. Just saying "sex is bad mmmmkay" doesn't really help if the little dears don't realise the fun stuff they are doing with their genitals is sex!

You can do the dumb thing and stick your fingers in your ears going 'lalalalalalala' while telling yourself "my little Timmy isn't doing it" or you can accept reality and allow your children to receive the education necessary to protect and control themselves. A beneficial side effect of this is that your children also pickup the knowledge necessary to know when an adult is doing something wrong with them.

You have a duty to your children that supersedes your discomfort.

You've made a lot of assumptions there about what others think and how they deal with sex in their household.

It is not up to the State to do this, it is up to parents to do it. And getting the State to do it introduces ideology which seeks to be non-judgmental about life choices. Well, life choices have consequences. I didn't see jack-sh** in the video I referred to about the consequences (financially, psychologically, etc.) of starting sex too young.

And because others cannot deal with giving their children values and teaching them the birds and bees does not mean that me and mine have to be strapped in to go along with the state- (and Quango-) sanctioned version of it. There is a lot of money in sex ed, and a lot of ideology in it too, that goes way beyond the birds and bees.

[Goatfell]

With children as young as 11 getting pregnant in the UK, opposing sex education at ages 9/10 is foolish to say the least.

To put it plainly, some of our children are having sex at 10. Your 10 year old may have already had sex. This is a hard fact of reality. Your inability to deal with that thought doesn't make it less likely to have happened. Thinking your kid 'isn't like that' doesn't make it less likely to have happened.

Just teaching them that this is too young requires first teaching them, quite clearly, what sex is. Just saying "sex is bad mmmmkay" doesn't really help if the little dears don't realise the fun stuff they are doing with their genitals is sex!

You can do the dumb thing and stick your fingers in your ears going 'lalalalalalala' while telling yourself "my little Timmy isn't doing it" or you can accept reality and allow your children to receive the education necessary teach them how to protect and control themselves. A beneficial side effect of this is that your children also pickup the knowledge necessary to know when an adult is doing something wrong with them.

You have a duty to your children that supersedes your discomfort.

FTFY