Reply to: Putin/Russia - good guy or bad?

[tarbera]

Look at all the times the Ukraines have helped us Brits out in the past (ohh hang on) most would be happy if the UK slipped into the sea. Yet we are pumping billions in to help them out, after the yanks overturned the government.

[zemoxyl]

Interesting. I remember watching something where Michael Portillo stated that previous UK governments and other EU governments knew to deliberately avoid bringing the countries close to Russia into NATO. This is also one reason why Finland isn't a member of NATO.

Quite.

The agreement was between George Bush Snr. Thatcher, Miterrand and Gorbachev. was that the borders of NATO would remain in place as the were before the Berlin wall fell.They wouldn't move eastward.

Just why, the delightful Victoria 'F the EU' Nuland and her American stooges spent $6billion dollars bringing peace and democracy to Ukraine is a bit of a mystery.

[stek]

Russia was Ukraine at one time, its where the Rus came from.

[xoggoth]

On Ukraine, major ethnic differences within countries are the cause of most conflicts. History indicates that people of different persuasions often get on ok until some external cause stir things up, the tensions between Russia and the West in this case. Look at how tensions with the Muslim community are peaking in Europe due to atrocities by Islamic extremism groups in Syria etc.

If we had developed good relations with Russia I doubt the problems in Ukraine would have happened, the citizens would not have seen being on one side or another as such a major issue.

[SueEllen]

I prefer to get my facts from Viz. Mad Magazine was good too, what happened to that?

Actually, didn't we do a similar thread before? As said then, while not a Putin fan, I think the West's rush to draw eastern Europe into the EU and NATO was bound to make Russia feel threatened. Our useless leaders would have done much better to make improving relations and trade with Russia a priority. It's a much more important country than former other Eastern block countries.

Interesting. I remember watching something where Michael Portillo stated that previous UK governments and other EU governments knew to deliberately avoid bringing the countries close to Russia into NATO. This is also one reason why Finland isn't a member of NATO.

[xoggoth]

Try C4, Al Jazeera, ...

I prefer to get my facts from Viz. Mad Magazine was good too, what happened to that?

Actually, didn't we do a similar thread before? As said then, while not a Putin fan, I think the West's rush to draw eastern Europe into the EU and NATO was bound to make Russia feel threatened. Our useless leaders would have done much better to make improving relations and trade with Russia a priority. It's a much more important country than former other Eastern block countries.

[NickyBoy]

America and Russia both have a treaty with Ukraine guaranteeing they would respect its existing borders, in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes. Only one country has violated that agreement and pushed us closer to WW3 then we have been in decades. Only one country has aggressively annexed territory in violation of this treaty. Only one country is actively engaged in a war in violation of this treaty. Russia is defacto the badguy in this.

Everything else is just window dressing with Western internal media trying to work up their civilian population to accept the current/planned response to this invasion and Russian funded external media/coordinated internet response teams trying to muddy the waters and hide the nasty tulip they have done as part of this invasion.


The answer to "which sides media is biased" is obviously both. The answer to "which side is in the wrong" is obviously Russia.

Unless anyone thinks we should just let Russia roll over Ukraine in exchange for "Peace for Our Time"

[FatLazyContractor]

In other words the planet stupid

I didn't say London

[DodgyAgent]

Yorkshire ?!

In other words the planet stupid

[FatLazyContractor]

What planet are you from?

Yorkshire ?!

[DodgyAgent]

One possible explanation could be that he is upholding the International Law (a concept alien to the USA).

What planet are you from?

[FatLazyContractor]

For me I had to get facts from RT to understand the motives behind the US campaign in the middle east and why Russia stands in the way of that (support for Syria and Iran) to get a bigger understanding of the 'why'.

One possible explanation could be that he is upholding the International Law (a concept alien to the USA).

[Paddy]

I'm not sure I agree entirely. I do see a lot of biased language but on the whole the reason I read RT is to see what facts the western MSM are omitting.

For me I had to get facts from RT to understand the motives behind the US campaign in the middle east and why Russia stands in the way of that (support for Syria and Iran) to get a bigger understanding of the 'why'.

Stuff like an agreement for a pipeline to run from Iran through Syria:



Anyone threatening US petrodollar is public enemy No.1 ? RT Op-Edge

Is any of the above factually inaccurate?

If not then you will never see any this in the western MSM - and also this whole Iraq/Syria/ISIS/Ukraine/WW3 thing starts to make perfect sense...

Or is that all just Russian propaganda and the US are in the middle east to actually fight terrorists and NATO (US/EU) is continually expanding eastward (which it promised it wouldn't do) and conducting military exercises on the Russian border for our own good?

It goes deeper than that. Kerry visited Austria and he told the Austrians to scrap plans for their part of the South Stream pipeline (new pipeline from Russia). The Austrian PM told him not to interfere.

Kerry visited Hungary and he told the PM to scrap their part of the South Stream pipeline. The Hungarian PM told him not to F off. Now Kerry is calling for regime change in Hungary.

Kerry visited Bulgaria and he told the PM to scrap the South Stream pipeline project otherwise he will ask the EU to stop regional funding to Bulgaria. The EU then stopped regional funding to Bulgaria. Meanwhile Bulgaria has to buy expensive electricity ( 3 x over the odds) from a US company.

[Paddy]

This is the best bit from that page:

RussiaDatingOnline.com

No its not. It do not do man on man or girl on girl.

[Jog On]

The BBC toeing the party line (or not) is entirely irrelevant to the trustworthyness of RT. Even if the BBC do follow the instructions of their political masters, they're still more trustworthy than RT. I have noticed over the past thirty years that the BBC is accused of bias... by all sides of most arguments. That in itself is a good indicator that they're not doing to badly at impartiality.

I'm not sure I agree entirely. I do see a lot of biased language but on the whole the reason I read RT is to see what facts the western MSM are omitting.

For me I had to get facts from RT to understand the motives behind the US campaign in the middle east and why Russia stands in the way of that (support for Syria and Iran) to get a bigger understanding of the 'why'.

Stuff like an agreement for a pipeline to run from Iran through Syria:

Russia, at the moment, is the primary energy supplier to the EU - the world's largest market. Iran, a Russian client, wanted to build a pipeline via Syria with President Assad's approval, to exploit this vast market. However, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the USA apparently have other plans involving a pipeline from Qatar via Syria to Europe.

Hence the urgent need to overthrow Assad and put a Sunni puppet government in place, more palatable to those pulling the strings. Qatar's preferred candidate of choice would be more moderate, such as the Muslim Brotherhood. Saudi, on the other hand, would have no compunction about installing a hard-line fundamentalist regime in place - up to and including ISIS. And thus the murder, mayhem and human suffering erupting across the region now.

Anyone threatening US petrodollar is public enemy No.1 ? RT Op-Edge

Is any of the above factually inaccurate?

If not then you will never see any this in the western MSM - and also this whole Iraq/Syria/ISIS/Ukraine/WW3 thing starts to make perfect sense...

Or is that all just Russian propaganda and the US are in the middle east to actually fight terrorists and NATO (US/EU) is continually expanding eastward (which it promised it wouldn't do) and conducting military exercises on the Russian border for our own good?