Reply to: UKIP is wrong - I just changed my mind on the EU

[darmstadt]

You wont see many of them working for Dyson either

You don't see many Europeans working for Dyson at all seeing as most of their manufacturing now takes place in the Far East. It seems only R&D and beancounting is performed in the UK now

[DodgyAgent]

The average salary of an Engineer in Poland is 16K which is more than you'd earn at Starbucks on a pittance, and since the cost of living in Poland is lower you probably won't see many Polish Engineers in Starbucks.

You wont see many of them working for Dyson either

[BlasterBates]

If you are an engineer from a top University in the UK you are not going to want to go and work for Dyson, National Grid, Mott Macdonald on pittance salaries for 20 years when you can get a job in retail, banking or consultancy that will see you on £100k by the time you are 30.

These engineering companies live on another planet and I reckon you are quite right. Eastern european engineers are probably earning more at Starbucks than they would at Dyson doing Engineering.

The average salary of an Engineer in Poland is 16K which is more than you'd earn at Starbucks on a pittance, and since the cost of living in Poland is lower you probably won't see many Polish Engineers in Starbucks.

[DodgyAgent]

As I posted I assume the Eastern Europeans are now asking for too much money.

If you are an engineer from a top University in the UK you are not going to want to go and work for Dyson, National Grid, Mott Macdonald on pittance salaries for 20 years when you can get a job in retail, banking or consultancy that will see you on £100k by the time you are 30.

These engineering companies live on another planet and I reckon you are quite right. Eastern european engineers are probably earning more at Starbucks than they would at Dyson doing Engineering.

[vetran]

With the demand for certain skills in high demand but short supply, UK businesses are widening their reach to find the talent they need – as leading organisations look to Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines for new talent.

My point was why are they not hiring from eastern europe?

As I posted I assume the Eastern Europeans are now asking for too much money.

[DodgyAgent]

They want a living wage now that the wages have gone up over there because all of their skilled people are taking the shop jobs our 'lazy unemployed' don't want.

It used to be a bowl of rice a day, now they want meat as well. How will we ever afford our corporate jets and bonuses?

With the demand for certain skills in high demand but short supply, UK businesses are widening their reach to find the talent they need – as leading organisations look to Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines for new talent.

My point was why are they not hiring from eastern europe?

[vetran]

Why are they not looking at Eastern Europe?

They want a living wage now that the wages have gone up over there because all of their skilled people are taking the shop jobs our 'lazy unemployed' don't want.

It used to be a bowl of rice a day, now they want meat as well. How will we ever afford our corporate jets and bonuses?

[DodgyAgent]

Well their point is:



Apparently Bill Gates & Steve Jobs don't want to work for NMW so lets raid the LDCs for cheap labour.

Why are they not looking at Eastern Europe?

[vetran]

Your point is?

Well their point is:

With the demand for certain skills in high demand but short supply, UK businesses are widening their reach to find the talent they need – as leading organisations look to Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines for new talent.

Apparently Bill Gates & Steve Jobs don't want to work for NMW so lets raid the LDCs for cheap labour.

[DodgyAgent]

Skills shortage hampers CEOs growth plans - HR Grapevine

Your point is?

[BlasterBates]

Skills shortage hampers CEOs growth plans - HR Grapevine

A quarter of UK business leaders plan to increase their headcount by up to five per cent in the next 12 months, but many are concerned that they won't be able to find the people with the right skills to fill these positions.

[tractor]

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So when are we going to invent the first petrol driven human being? The invention of the car is what changed this prediction, if it hadn't been invented then we would see carts going in to collect horse manure.

Unless you see a significant change in the human race then it seems valid.

As far as automation McDonalds and some pizza companies are already seriously looking at more automation of food production, in 10 years a McJob will be manager level only.

We've had meths driven humans for years. They are not terribly productive though.

[vetran]

When I see debates like this I'm always reminded of:

So when are we going to invent the first petrol driven human being? The invention of the car is what changed this prediction, if it hadn't been invented then we would see carts going in to collect horse manure.

Unless you see a significant change in the human race then it seems valid.

As far as automation McDonalds and some pizza companies are already seriously looking at more automation of food production, in 10 years a McJob will be manager level only.

[BlasterBates]

When I see debates like this I'm always reminded of:

In 1894, the Times of London estimated that by 1950 every street in the city would be buried nine feet deep in horse manure. One New York prognosticator of the 1890s concluded that by 1930 the horse droppings would rise to Manhattan’s third-story windows.

[SueEllen]

Certainly not where vested interests are at play.

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