Reply to: Who the hell will believe him??

[Doggy Styles]

I thought Milliband/Labour were fundamentally opposed to monkeying with the EU and preferred MORE integration/compliance, reducing our 'renegade' status?

Generally yes. Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty in secret despite widespread unease about it, reneging on a promise of a referendum on it.

Mind you, if it weren't for UKIP I wonder whether Cameron wouldn't do the same thing today.

[Zero Liability]

They're in favour of what will get them enough votes to get into power, at which point they will totally ignore any promises, policies that don't suit their internal agenda and any pretence that the electorate matters at all until the run up to the next election.

Worked for the lib dems.

[OwlHoot]

Ed Miliband promises concrete immigration reform ...

As a Tory, I presume he means he'll allow more immigrants to work on building sites

[TykeMerc]

I thought Milliband/Labour were fundamentally opposed to monkeying with the EU and preferred MORE integration/compliance, reducing our 'renegade' status?

They're in favour of what will get them enough votes to get into power, at which point they will totally ignore any promises, policies that don't suit their internal agenda and any pretence that the electorate matters at all until the run up to the next election.

[d000hg]

I thought Milliband/Labour were fundamentally opposed to monkeying with the EU and preferred MORE integration/compliance, reducing our 'renegade' status?

[NickyBoy]

The rise of the UKIP is partially due to the Conservatives ignoring their core votes in order to 'chase the middle' and grab the swing voters that decide elections.

Hopefully ed's antics will cause a similar left-wing party to pop up. I wouldn't agree with their policies, but I would be more content with our political system if it had 5 or 6 frontline parties and true representation for every person in the country.

Left wing loonies need to be represented as well as right wing nut-jobs!

[Zero Liability]

Indeed, pretty much an identity cult.

[TykeMerc]

This.

He's changed his tune a bit since his party was encouraging all and sundry through the borders.

Which they will do again as soon as they get back in, but we all know that. The chances of them actually throwing off the all inclusive, multi-culti, politically correct, inverse racist policies are zero, but it's the kind of stuff that makes good sound bites for the braindead voting populace.

There's no way that people like us will believe the sort of drivel in the OP, but plenty of people will and many more will simply vote the way they've been indoctrinated since birth

[Doggy Styles]

Not sure what good he thinks he is doing to Labour prospects. The lefties who embrace the myths about the benefits of current immigration levels and lax controls won't like him for it and those on the right won't believe a word he says.

This.

He's changed his tune a bit since his party was encouraging all and sundry through the borders.

[Zero Liability]

Next he'll be offering an EU referendum, and a day before Cameron's, too.

A/B will vote Tory. D/E will vote Labour.

Its the C1/C2 - essex man - who will decide.

Ed might not be as stupid as I first thought.

I have no doubt he isn't stupid, per se. An out of touch twat, though? That he is, much more so than the usual politician even. Moreover, I think Xoggoth has a point, as the more the Lib-dems and Labour try to emulate UKIP and the Tories (who were faster to emulate the former), the less they can slander them with any credibility. They do risk alienating many of their more leftist crowd, and there is the issue of how credible their commitment to these positions is, given that they will come across as reactionary vote-winning policies more than anything else. Methinks the Heywood and Middleton result left Ed-boy more than a little shaken up.

Why does C have twice the votes? Bloody awful electoral system!

Seriously, it's a great shame we don't have a truly representative system, If the Lib Dems had not cocked up the referendum by proposing a half-arsed abortion of a voting system we might have one.

Labour would then have to kiss any chance of ever seeing government again goodbye.

[xoggoth]

Its the C1/C2 - essex man - who will decide

Why does C have twice the votes? Bloody awful electoral system!

Seriously, it's a great shame we don't have a truly representative system, If the Lib Dems had not cocked up the referendum by proposing a half-arsed abortion of a voting system we might have one.

[BrilloPad]

Not sure what good he thinks he is doing to Labour prospects. The lefties who embrace the myths about the benefits of current immigration levels and lax controls won't like him for it and those on the right won't believe a word he says.

A/B will vote Tory. D/E will vote Labour.

Its the C1/C2 - essex man - who will decide.

Ed might not be as stupid as I first thought.

[xoggoth]

Not sure what good he thinks he is doing to Labour prospects. The lefties who embrace the myths about the benefits of current immigration levels and lax controls won't like him for it and those on the right won't believe a word he says.

[BrilloPad]

Another good idea...

Labour’s plan to put fans on football club boards

[BrilloPad]

Quite a sensible move. UKIP are doing quite well and Ed is trying to grab some of the votes.

Like all politicians he will change his mind when he gets in.