Oh Dear: One in Ten British Asians Believes Honour Killings Are Justified

[xoggoth]

Never met. Exactly. You put your finger on it there MQ.

While honour killings may be a cultural thing and not a tenet of Islam as lilelvis says, they can only flourish in a society of arranged marriages and those are definitely a tenet of Islam. Is a family really going to kill a daughter because she decided after all not to marry that nice young man she met at the college disco? Of course not, the honour part comes in when the families are disgraced by having their arrangements and understandings scorned.

Honour killings may not be Islamic but they are certainly a product of Islam.

[mcquiggd]

Killing yourself is a little more acceptable than stabbing your daughter as she didn't want to marry a man three times her age that she hadn't met.

[lilelvis2000]

Are there any documented instances of non-Muslim honour killings?

Honour killings are a cultural problem not a relegious one. I'm sure there were many in English history. But definitely in Japanese Samurai history there were many.

[Joe Black]

Oh FFS. It just ain't Kosher.

[DimPrawn]

All this stress.

What we all need is a nice bar of chocolate to relax with.

Enjoy

[EternalOptimist]

That makes them pretty moderate by Islamic standards. Just wait until the Turks join the EU. According to a recent poll 40% of them believe in honour killing and and 21% that a woman's nose or ears should be cut off for adultery.


Turkish Poll

I guess chatting up a Turkish bird with no beak is ok by me. She wouldnt be able to smell my feet and I'd know she's a goer

[xoggoth]

That makes them pretty moderate by Islamic standards. Just wait until the Turks join the EU. According to a recent poll 40% of them believe in honour killing and and 21% that a woman's nose or ears should be cut off for adultery.


Turkish Poll

[Joe Black]

honour killings, forced intra-country marriage and female circumcision

Is there a natural order to these things? I mean does one follow the other?

Joe in "was never much good at RE" mode.

[Hart-floot]

Are there any documented instances of non-Muslim honour killings?

Seem to remember there were quite a few in the last series of the 'Soprano's' - thats proof enough for me

[sasguru]

Are there any documented instances of non-Muslim honour killings?

[Hart-floot]

One in 10 'backs honour killings'
[The 16 to 34-year-old age group interviewed in the survey needed to be persuaded such killings were not acceptable[/b], [/i][DS: isn't this infringing their human rights and beliefs?] they said.

Yes, we should rejoice in the rich cultural mix that is our country today.

How about a Notting Hill style carnival to celebrate honour killings, forced intra-country marriage and female circumcision. Fun for all the family

[TheScarletPimp]

450 Hindus/Sikhs/Christians thought it was OK so long as the Muslims were killing themselves.

Yep, makes me wonder why so many people get so worked up about Iraq.

TSP

[ChimpMaster]

I wonder how the demographics worked out. Is this possible:-

-- 500 Asians interviewed
-- 50 Muslims (10%) justified honour killings. 450 Hindus/Sikhs/Christians thought it was OK so long as the Muslims were killing themselves.

[DimPrawn]

Seems fair enough to me. Sort of Asian mafia.

[Dalek Supreme]

One in 10 'backs honour killings'

One in 10 young British Asians believes so-called honour killings can be justified, according to a poll for the BBC's Asian Network.

Of 500 Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Muslims [DS: It would be interesting to see the relative proportions - which is more bloodthirsty, if any] questioned, a 10th said they would condone the murder of someone who disrespected their family's honour.

Figures show 13 people die every year in honour killings, but police and support groups believe it is many more.

Religious leaders said they would hold a national conference on the issue. [DS: Splendid idea. Presumably only those who have or are thinking of committing an honour killing will be invited]

Honour killing is a brutal reaction within a family - predominantly Asian and Middle Eastern - to someone perceived to have brought "shame" upon relatives.

What constitutes dishonour can range from wearing clothes thought unsuitable or choosing a career which the family disapprove of, to marrying outside of the wider community.

The Metropolitan Police are investigating 200 deaths linked to honour killings.

Kidnaps, beatings and rapes have also been committed in the name of "honour".

Liza Booth, from Asian Network, said clerics from all the faiths would hold the gathering later in the year to discuss how to make honour killings a thing of the past.

The 16 to 34-year-old age group interviewed in the survey needed to be persuaded such killings were not acceptable, [DS: isn't this infringing their human rights and beliefs?] they said.

Something for John Reid to sort out, perhaps? After a period of consultation, of course.