Reply to: Why don't I see the normal working hours on my contract?

[psychocandy]

Me personally my hours average out over the week if I need a bit of flexibility or time off. I am in though most days 9:30-17:30 for BAU stuff as well as project work. Have the option for TOIL (unofficially) if I have to work a weekend day or I can bill for it and up the weekly invoice.

When I say TOIL, I will work the weekend day and take a day off midweek and bill it as in attendance. Me though, I plan my stuff so dont have to take time off.

Dont like doing this TOIL thing. I've had it and it gets a bit messy.

[psychocandy]

Exactly. I'm just waiting for a future client to tell me they want 2 meeetings per day. One at 7am, one at 7pm

I had that similar thing once. Client asked us to cover 6am to 10pm. Meant 6am-2pm for some, 2pm-10pm for others. Didnt bother me that much although 6am was early.

Then they'd arrange meetings at 6pm and try and say everyone had to attend - even those who'd been in at 6am.

I wasn't popular when I tried to explain that I'd been flexible enough to come in early because they asked but dont then take the piss.

[DirtyDog]

Does your contract not state how many hours per week? It normally states one or the other

I've never had that. Contract is based on the basis of a professional working day. No hours specified, no days specified. Which is how it should be.

[Boney M]

SHall i state that I want my contract to state 7.5 hours per working day?

Does your contract not state how many hours per week? It normally states one or the other

[Boney M]

Me personally my hours average out over the week if I need a bit of flexibility or time off. I am in though most days 9:30-17:30 for BAU stuff as well as project work. Have the option for TOIL (unofficially) if I have to work a weekend day or I can bill for it and up the weekly invoice.

When I say TOIL, I will work the weekend day and take a day off midweek and bill it as in attendance. Me though, I plan my stuff so dont have to take time off.

[GB9]

So if I ask for the contract to state that normal working hours are 8:30-5 with 1 hour lunch break, with that be considered within IR35 or outside?

As others have said, why do you want to tie yourself down? I work 07:30 til after 18:00 2 or 3 days a week, but Friday's i'm off by 16:30. I was invited to a regular Friday 16:30 recently and declined. No-one had a problem with that. If someone makes a comment about me declining a late meeting I always offer to meet them at 07:30 instead. That usually shuts them up.

[SussexSeagull]

My current gig tried to bring in a team meeting ending at 1800 on a Friday.

To the best of my knowledge I was the only contractor to decline it.

[kingcook]

Spot on KC. If clients spots weakness they'll have you. lol.

Exactly. I'm just waiting for a future client to tell me they want 2 meeetings per day. One at 7am, one at 7pm

[oscarose]

It's all about the quality delivery of services, not about 9-5. If I have a builder in and he works 9-5 and produces poor quality work, he's out.

[northernladuk]

NLUK. Once again, you attempt to tell everyone on the board that you've been there, done it, know everything, and are the perfect professional.

Quite a few of us have been around a lot longer than you might think.

I am not trying to tell everyone, just make a point to one person that consistently misses it.

[DirtyDog]

[psychocandy]

Not really, just more proof you can't think past the end of your nose. There is much more to proving yourself to a client than your timekeeping. A point you have, as usual, missed completely. The point I was making is you prove yourself as a professional through the work you do and the image to the client. After that they will leave you alone and go concentrate on looking at the moaning clockwatching disguised permies they have been lumped with.

NLUK. Once again, you attempt to tell everyone on the board that you've been there, done it, know everything, and are the perfect professional.

Quite a few of us have been around a lot longer than you might think.

[northernladuk]

Not so. You've just said that, in the beginning, you turn up early and leave late. No mention of it being related to workload or anything.

From this, one can deduce you are doing this primarily to impress the client.

Whereas, as I have mentioned in this thread, will work extra if the situation dictates but generally I will start as I mean to go on.

Admitedly, your method 'may' impress the client a little more (although I doubt it) but it also leaves the way open to abuse IMHO. Not saying your method is not professional but then my method of working hours as determined by need and workload is also, is it not?

Think your busted this time NLUK.

Not really, just more proof you can't think past the end of your nose. There is much more to proving yourself to a client than your timekeeping. A point you have, as usual, missed completely. The point I was making is you prove yourself as a professional through the work you do and the image to the client. After that they will leave you alone and go concentrate on looking at the moaning clockwatching disguised permies they have been lumped with.

[psychocandy]

Just about sums up your attitude to delivering services to your clients really..

Not so. You've just said that, in the beginning, you turn up early and leave late. No mention of it being related to workload or anything.

From this, one can deduce you are doing this primarily to impress the client.

Whereas, as I have mentioned in this thread, will work extra if the situation dictates but generally I will start as I mean to go on.

Admitedly, your method 'may' impress the client a little more (although I doubt it) but it also leaves the way open to abuse IMHO. Not saying your method is not professional but then my method of working hours as determined by need and workload is also, is it not?

Think your busted this time NLUK.

[northernladuk]

Nah mate. Not for me. Arselicking and staying late is for permies....

Just about sums up your attitude to delivering services to your clients really..