Reply to: Lloyds Banking Group Contract Roles

[thinEnd7]

To bob or not to bob - that is the question...

The trick is to go direct via Bob, doing that at the moment and quite happy with rate, though know they will want to have the "permie or leave" conversation at some point, though my relationship with client is longer than my relationship with Bob so hoping that gives me some leverage.

That aside there is loads of work here at the moment, projects are being quoted a 4-6 lead time on resources.

Useful comments, thanks! 5 months on, would you say that your comment "the trick is to go direct via Bob" is still valid? Am hoping to land a contract with LBG in the near future and am thinking that maybe it's worth a try to go via a local agency that doesn't have to go via Bob (it seems from herman_g's post of 4/8 that there is a possibility, however small, of doing that) - or is LBG a "closed shop" for Bob by now?

[No2politics]

Uk / European banks seem alot MORE relaxed then US banks, now at a US bank and probably the most stressful job I've ever had, plus I went permy as well

FTFY

[flipFlop]

I suspect your top dollar and my top dollar are somewhat different as the money on offer for the techie roles is absolute tulipe.

It wasn't my top dollar, it was Lloyds's, paying via two intermediaries.

[quackhandle]

Computer People ( mentioned above ) supplies contractors through Wipro.

CP and Wipro? Jesus, shafted from both sides!

qh

[ELBBUBKUNPS]

Uk / European banks seem alot less relaxed then US banks, now at a US bank and probably the most stressful job I've ever had, plus I went permy as well

[kingcook]

Sorry may appear a bit of a silly question - When you guys say Bob and Bobland, what do you mean by that?

Thanks.

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[Anonimouse]

My friend has just gone back there last week through coal. I was there through computer people (2 years) last time.

[Big Dawg]

Sorry may appear a bit of a silly question - When you guys say Bob and Bobland, what do you mean by that?

Thanks.

[flipFlop]

That was made up but I've seen far worse if you remove Wipro and insert Accenture instead.

Your figures were near-enough exact.

[Big Dawg]

Based where ? West Yorkieland or Edinburgh ?

I am based in London mate.

the RBS role was based in the City

[TestMangler]

In reply to one of the questions why would I want to go to lloyds?

I was in a role at RBS as a SAS Business/Data Analyst but got the chop there when they made mass cuts last year. Was off out of work for about a year, and got a contract with a utilities/construction company but Im not enjoying it at all. I took it just to stop the clock on the gap on my CV. It pays close to my RBS rate.

Up until this new gig I've almost 100% worked for premier banking clients. I am getting on a bit, so want something that will potential keep me employed for at least 2 years or so, hence Lloyds.

Thanks for all your replies, very insightful.

Based where ? West Yorkieland or Edinburgh ?

[Big Dawg]

In reply to one of the questions why would I want to go to lloyds?

I was in a role at RBS as a SAS Business/Data Analyst but got the chop there when they made mass cuts last year. Was off out of work for about a year, and got a contract with a utilities/construction company but Im not enjoying it at all. I took it just to stop the clock on the gap on my CV. It pays close to my RBS rate.

Up until this new gig I've almost 100% worked for premier banking clients. I am getting on a bit, so want something that will potential keep me employed for at least 2 years or so, hence Lloyds.

Thanks for all your replies, very insightful.

[portseven]

Sorry, I did mean IT techies.



I work in a fairly niche area. Market rate to a contractor is normally 500 / day - a rate I and most I know are happy with.

Wipro's "winning bid" for a job needing about 20 resources was 600 / day. They went to the market hoping for 300 / day contractors and offered Computer People a 9% markup ( they got a few substandard ones for 350 ). The eventual breakdown was:

Lloyds paid £600
Wipro pocketed £219
Computer People receive £381
Contractor got £350

Impossible to understand why Lloyds didn't just pay Computer People £600 and let the contractor end up with the market rate of £500! That is, until you realize Wipro had a dozen or so offshore resources Lloyds were paying Wipro £325 for ( and getting a small bag of peanuts ). Management had no idea almost nothing was being produced offshore and somehow didn't care.

The trick is to go direct via Bob, doing that at the moment and quite happy with rate, though know they will want to have the "permie or leave" conversation at some point, though my relationship with client is longer than my relationship with Bob so hoping that gives me some leverage.

That aside there is loads of work here at the moment, projects are being quoted a 4-6 lead time on resources.

[herman_g]

Y'see dude, that is a sweeping generalisation and mostly a load of tulipe.

If you're talking IT techies then, yes, but they're not the majority of contractors. My area, for example is 100% bob free and bob agent free (right down to the UAT defect management team).

Sorry, I did mean IT techies.

Lloyds pay £1200
Wipro pocket £800
Spring receive £400
Contractor gets £300

I work in a fairly niche area. Market rate to a contractor is normally 500 / day - a rate I and most I know are happy with.

Wipro's "winning bid" for a job needing about 20 resources was 600 / day. They went to the market hoping for 300 / day contractors and offered Computer People a 9% markup ( they got a few substandard ones for 350 ). The eventual breakdown was:

Lloyds paid £600
Wipro pocketed £219
Computer People receive £381
Contractor got £350

Impossible to understand why Lloyds didn't just pay Computer People £600 and let the contractor end up with the market rate of £500! That is, until you realize Wipro had a dozen or so offshore resources Lloyds were paying Wipro £325 for ( and getting a small bag of peanuts ). Management had no idea almost nothing was being produced offshore and somehow didn't care.

[eek]

I did read it but didn't expect anything like those numbers (except the last one of course). Are they real or fictitious?

Have to say the last bloke I spoke to at Spring sounded a bit fed up with the rate he had to offer, implying he was struggling to get anyone useful but it was outside his control due to the 'rate card'.

That was made up but I've seen far worse if you remove Wipro and insert Accenture instead.