Security Clearance Question,

[malvolio]

He won't be telling lies. There is nothing on the form where this needs to be 'confessed'.

The SC process is administrative rather than an in-depth delve into a persons past life.

I know quite a lot about the process thanks, probably more than most. That's not the point I was making though. Anyone thinking that bypassing the process, if only by ommision, on the basis you can probably get away with it is not someone I would think worthy of being trusted to hold clearance to SC level. Even if you take a more relaxed view than me (always possible!), it's perhaps not a good idea to suggest it's how you should behave.

[bless 'em all]

Great idea. Telling lies to gain security clearance.

He won't be telling lies. There is nothing on the form where this needs to be 'confessed'.

The SC process is administrative rather than an in-depth delve into a persons past life.

[malvolio]

Absolutely no reason to mention the alcohol incident.

When I did some work for a stock settlement firm 6 years ago, I queried my manager about a situation where brass knuckles were found in my luggage during check-in at Frankfurt airport. The police confiscated them, filled out a report, and told me I would just receive some paperwork in the mail closing off the "administrative only" process ( the airport was considered international territory and I had not committed a crime in Germany ).

My manager's response about the incident was "don't be crazy, you don't want to tell them that!".

I didn't. My SC clearance was approved.

Great idea. Telling lies to gain security clearance.

[herman_g]

Absolutely no reason to mention the alcohol incident.

When I did some work for a stock settlement firm 6 years ago, I queried my manager about a situation where brass knuckles were found in my luggage during check-in at Frankfurt airport. The police confiscated them, filled out a report, and told me I would just receive some paperwork in the mail closing off the "administrative only" process ( the airport was considered international territory and I had not committed a crime in Germany ).

My manager's response about the incident was "don't be crazy, you don't want to tell them that!".

I didn't. My SC clearance was approved.

[bless 'em all]

Thanks for the help, this is encouraging.
I have the offer of the job, and they are willing to sponsor me through the process.

I looked for other threads but I was searching on the general section of the forum, but I've the sticky thread now thanks.

Just a quick final question.
Will the new company I'm working for see the results of the check, ie. when I tell the SC people about the previous dismissal will my new employer be informed what happens? Or is it a separate procedure and they will just hear back that I passed the SC?

Thanks again.

If you fail the SC clearance you won't need to worry about your employer. You won't have one.

I watched a guy who'd been in the job, who'd passed BC and applied for SC, get marched off site when the SC check failed.

Just fill in the form honestly - IIRC you'll be asked for the last five years of employment/education history. They may find out that you had a job at the hotel (if you were paying tax/ni etc it might pop-up) There's nothing in the form about WHY you left an employer.

They will write to any employer you put down for a reference, but as references these days consist of little more than "<name/> worked here between <start_date> & <end_date> the reason for leaving is unlikely to come up.

[malvolio]

Just be honest that you were employed there. If the police were not informed and you were not convicted you are not guilty of a crime.

If it does come up mention the 'misunderstanding' about the booze.

The point is, it won't "come up". You will be refused clearance, end of. No explanation, no discussion, no right of appeal. So get it right first time.

[Andy Hallett]

Security Clearance Question,

Just be honest that you were employed there. If the police were not informed and you were not convicted you are not guilty of a crime.

If it does come up mention the 'misunderstanding' about the booze.

[adubya]

As above, just be honest in answering any questions asked of you.

Hiding stuff is baaaaaad!

[Fox23]

Thanks for the help, this is encouraging.
I have the offer of the job, and they are willing to sponsor me through the process.

I looked for other threads but I was searching on the general section of the forum, but I've the sticky thread now thanks.

Just a quick final question.
Will the new company I'm working for see the results of the check, ie. when I tell the SC people about the previous dismissal will my new employer be informed what happens? Or is it a separate procedure and they will just hear back that I passed the SC?

Thanks again.

[Normie]

A colleague of mine has got a conviction for theft (in his late teens) - he got DV cleared no problem. He just explained he was young and stupid and has a clear record since then. His interviewer hardly touched on the subject.

So, as others have said, it should not impact an SC clearance - you biggest hurdle will be to find a client willing to put you through the clearance process.

[northernladuk]

I am sure the Sticky about SC clearance at the top of this thread would have answered your question.

[malvolio]

If it's not a recorded crime, they probably won't pick it up. However, the test is not what you may have done wrong, it's are you honest and are you open to blackmail. So the answer is tell them about it, which is much safer than not telling them about it, 'cos if they do spot it you will never get cleared, ever.

There's a long thread on all of this. See if you can find it.

[MyUserName]

That is highly unlikely to cause an issue as the police were not involved, although the chance of this actually happening are slim

Best of luck with it!

[Scoobos]

I wouldn't worry about that incident.

Just worry about finding someone who is willing to put you through the process. Although they say they will put people through, they are looking for people who are already SC Cleared.

Maybe someone on here will counter this and say they were cleared for a role that they got off a job site - but my experience is no one is willing.

[Fox23]

Hey,
I have a new job which requires basic level clearance and security level clearance (SC).

I believe SC requires a "Departmental/Company Records Check", and I am a little confused about what this entails.

When I was 18 I had a part time job in a local hotel for a month or do, up until I was fired as I was caught stealing a bottle of spirits.
The police were never contacted, I left the shift on which I was caught and never heard from the hotel again.

I have since worked part time at a different job where I have a glowing record.
I'm now 23 and worried that my utter stupidity when I was younger may have jeopardised my career.

Does anyone have any advice?
There are no gaps on my CV as i was a student at the time.
Though I do not show the hotel job on my CV will the SC pick up on it and contact the hotel if I do not mention it?

Any help would be so appreciated,
Thanks in advance.